Victorians Beware

[mcnews]

I have obtained an internal VICPOL document outlining a looming operation to target motorists. The real eye opener (for some) will be the way it already plans the media campaign and has sympathetic scientists (that depend on government funds and the road safety gravy train) at hand to be called on for comment by the meek and pliable Victorian mainstream media.
- http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchive...l/Pipedown.pdf

[Powdered Toast Man]

As long as they focus on all the fart cannon equipped ricers that are excessively loud (and by that I mean drown everything else out) I have no issue with it.

If they start targeting any and all sports exhausts then it's ridiculous.

[drew`SEVNT5]

Don't own a noisy vehicle, but thanks... Ill pass the word on some other forums..

[SVTVNM]

Shouldn't be an issue if cars are under their db level, But I see how it will be a major issue if anything not stock sounding gets EPA notices in the mail. I dont see how the db level of your car or bike effects the average person hearing unless they have their head stuck to your exhaust and follow you around all day, hence why the need for audiology specialists, Just another ploy to put people against modified cars, legally modified or not. Also smokey heavy vehicles FFS they are diesels after all, Not every truckie especially owner operators can drive around in current Euro4? emmission trucks.

[Redrum]

It is merely an operation order. I do not see any issues.

[GTpilot]

Once again, another excellent example of the great work done by Victoria Police.
I'll feel so much safer walking the streets at night knowing there will be no loud cars around to hurt me.
Just another BS revenue raising exercise.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by GTpilot

Once again, another excellent example of the great work done by Victoria Police.
I'll feel so much safer walking the streets at night knowing there will be no loud cars around to hurt me.
Just another BS revenue raising exercise.

Victoria Police police many acts of parliament including the EPA Act. This legislation was put in place by a democratically elected Government and the duty of the police is to enforce such legislation.
If you are not happy with the legislation speak to your member of parliament.
Loud cars may not hurt people in the manner in which you speak but there has to be some sort of laws set otherwise we would all be getting around in cars sounding like Harleys or worse.
In regard to your comment on revenue raising, unless a fine is issued for a vehicle failing to comply with regulations, police normally just issue a defect notice and/or a spotting notice and require the owner to get the car fixed and not a fine.

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Victoria Police police many acts of parliament including the EPA Act. This legislation was put in place by a democratically elected Government and the duty of the police is to enforce such legislation.
If you are not happy with the legislation speak to your member of parliament.
Loud cars may not hurt people in the manner in which you speak but there has to be some sort of laws set otherwise we would all be getting around in cars sounding like Harleys or worse.
In regard to your comment on revenue raising, unless a fine is issued for a vehicle failing to comply with regulations, police normally just issue a defect notice and/or a spotting notice and require the owner to get the car fixed and not a fine.

I admire your restraint sometimes redrum, on the back of comments that must drive you to take offence. Lot of people here readily rear up when another piece of legislation is introduced that will directly affect them, but instead of directing energy towards a concerted effort to fix things at point of enactment, it's far easier to direct their indignation at the cops, or the media or some other blameless 3rd party, and hope by doing so often enough, it will somehow transfer guilt from where it actually belongs

[mcnews]

I posted it more as an eye opener to people who do not realise how the media are used by VICPOL to their agenda and how hopelessly complicit the media is to their manipulation by the police. I often think the Herald Sun must be an organ of the Police Media Unit due to the amount of crap they regurgitate from an industry feathering their own nests. And the already set up scientists spoon fed a line to which they will adhere, as they are totally dependent on the road safety gravy train.

And yes I think most of us are well aware that police are just programmed automatons that do as they are told, even when in many instance that is carrying out policy which is wrong on many levels. But is the job they choose.

But this was never meant to descend into this type of discussion. It is a warning to those that are too loud (which I am not), and also highlights the orchestration behind the scenes to ensure the media gets behind whatever agenda VICPOL wants to push at a particular time to try and make them look good.

[MAD]

But does it really require an "operation".

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by mcnews

And yes I think most of us are well aware that police are just programmed automatons that do as they are told, even when in many instance that is carrying out policy which is wrong on many levels. But is the job they choose.

Police do have discretion. Police are the executive branch of the law. They do not make the laws. once again, do not blame them for merely doing their jobs. And yes, they do choose to do it. I often wonder why.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by MAD

But does it really require an "operation".

Operation Orders are required by Victoria Police when something beyond normal patrolling etc is to be undertaken. It is bascially just a plan, a document, that is disseminated to all relevant parties, detailing the aim of the planned operation, the people involved and other important factors such as resources. The operation order shown is not complete. It is missing quite a few pages.

[MAD]

OK let me re-word it. Does it really require a campaign? (eg. Including media, etc)

[mcnews]

It is all about being seen to be doing something to make the police and goverment look good to those that want society to descend into a complete police state, with nobody allowed to do anything without some part of government wanting to stop them doing anything. You know like the Howard Scruby's of this world and other morons (like people that watch Today Tonight or A Current Affair and believe half the crap presented to them without question)

[zdcol71]

A darkness decended over the farm, and all the animals cowered in fear as Napoleon the pig marched around the stalls.Some recollected, vaguely, that where it was now written "Two legs best",.....
Seems to me that we are not quite there yet,and given that the rest of the "morons" of the world actually don't get off on the bellow of a ridiculously loud exhust note outside their window at 1 in the morning, I don't think we'll be there any time too soon.

[mcnews]

Here is hoping. But sometimes you have to wonder. Every time I read the Letters to the Editor page in newspapers I really see how easy it would be for the mindless to be lead by the nose down whatever garden path is presented before them without question. Every little thing that people let authoritarians get away with soon start mounting up to a frightening tally of restrictions and regulations.

[opto]

Excessively Loud cars is left open to interpretation, it does not mention levels of noise.

It mentions exhaust noise but can be interpreted as stereo noise also.

What is an Excessive level ?

[MAD]

Originally Posted by mcnews

It is all about being seen to be doing something to make the police and goverment look good to those that want society to descend into a complete police state, with nobody allowed to do anything without some part of government wanting to stop them doing anything. You know like the Howard Scruby's of this world and other morons (like people that watch Today Tonight or A Current Affair and believe half the crap presented to them without question)

The only problem with this is that there's stuff all cops for it to be a police state. Maybe a camera state would be more appropriate.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by MAD

OK let me re-word it. Does it really require a campaign? (eg. Including media, etc)

If you are trying to raise public awareness then education is as good as being pulled over and then copping a defect notice etc. Let the public know what police are doing and what they are targeting. I cannot see this as being a bad thing.

[mcnews]

But it should be questioned. Any clampdown should be questioned by a responsible third estate instead of the government line being swallowed in every instance and then regurgitated to the masses. If I was editing a newspaper perhaps I would look for an alternative view to provide balance, as to how perhaps in a motorcyclists case a pipe with a decent note can actually alert people who drive with their minds in an alternative universe to their presence etc. And perhaps look for one of the conveners of the once strong 'Loud Pipes Save Lives' bumper sticker campaign by a motorcyclist group some years ago.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by mcnews

It is all about being seen to be doing something to make the police and goverment look good to those that want society to descend into a complete police state, with nobody allowed to do anything without some part of government wanting to stop them doing anything. You know like the Howard Scruby's of this world and other morons (like people that watch Today Tonight or A Current Affair and believe half the crap presented to them without question)

This Operation order has been prepared by a Senior Constable. I hardly see it as grand standing or having any sort of political agenda. I think this thread is more of the qulaity of Today Tonight or A Current Affair.

[platinumXR]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

A darkness decended over the farm, and all the animals cowered in fear as Napoleon the pig marched around the stalls.Some recollected, vaguely, that where it was now written "Two legs best",.....
Seems to me that we are not quite there yet,and given that the rest of the "morons" of the world actually don't get off on the bellow of a ridiculously loud exhust note outside their window at 1 in the morning, I don't think we'll be there any time too soon.

Wow, been about 20 or so years since I have read that...and a little pessimistic...

[mrbaxr6t]

for all those having a cry about it I have this to say over easter I seen REAL men in blue uniforms in HWP cars out there DOING THEIR JOBS giving breathos and setting up quite a few FAIR speed traps on level ground in either direction not just some douche doing a crossword in a car with a camera strapped to it camera car (unmanned) was pinging speeding motorists HWP would pursue and fine etc - I didn't get caught because in my area at least the speed traps were set up in a FAIR way not at the bottom of some hill on a highway to nab those that crept up 2-3 kph the ones I seen were on the flat HWP CLEARLY VISIBLE on side of road either direction yet STILL the camera cars were snapping motorists and the officer in the HWP had to shoot off after them. IMHO this is how speed limits need be enforced not some sneaky dirty car stashed at the bottom of some hill that will dispatch fines through the post. One of my biggest beefs with mobile speed cameras is there is no police presence what if said speeder is also driving drunk? this is far more dangerous but goes on undetected because the speeding motorist was never pulled over.

[LTDHO]

I'd rather see smokie cars taken off the road before those with loud exhausts.
Target the undermaintained not the modified.

I suppose someone who doesn't care for their car doesn't car for other road users either. So why take them off the road??? /sarcasm

[gcg2503]

What I want to know is how the heck those damn Harleys pass those laws with their ridiculous exhausts!

Surely they arent legal? Are they?

[MAD]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

I'd rather see smokie cars taken off the road before those with loud exhausts.
Target the undermaintained not the modified.

That's a campaign I'd be supportive of, hell I'd even donate money to it.

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by gcg2503

What I want to know is how the heck those damn Harleys pass those laws with their ridiculous exhausts!

Surely they arent legal? Are they?

No they are not legal. It is funny that sportbikes are mentioned though in regards to straight through pipes and drag pipes etc. when I don't think any sportsbike in Australia runs a pipe remotely resembling anything like that.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by MAD

Quote:
Originally Posted by LTDHO
I'd rather see smokie cars taken off the road before those with loud exhausts.
Target the undermaintained not the modified.

That's a campaign I'd be supportive of, hell I'd even donate money to it.

Perhaps a little bit of education time.....if you guys were not already aware, there is already a system in place for you to report smoky cars, at least for in Vic and I assume other states.

Taken from the Vic EPA website:

Report pollution
9695 2777 (Melbourne)
1800 444 004 (Regional)

Report litter from a car or smoky vehicles
Register to report online
Log in to online reporting
Litter infoline: 1800 LITTER (1800 548837)
Smoky vehicles (Melbourne): 9695 2755
Smoky vehicles (Regional): 1800 444 051

and here's some excerpts from the FAQs on smoky cars:

What information do I have to include with my report?
We need to have:

the registration number and
a description of the vehicle:
make
body type (sedan, utility, van, etc.)
colour and
model (if possible).
EPA supports safe driving practices. You should use an appropriate safe means of recording these details. These details enable us to crosscheck the registered details on the VicRoads database to avoid mistakes.

We also need to know where and when you saw the vehicle:

road, suburb or town
date and
time (including am or pm).
Insufficient information may result in your report not being processed.

The on-line EPA Smoky Vehicle Reporting System provides drop down lists from which you can select the relevant item.

If you don't have information such as vehicle make or vehicle body type, select "UNLISTED" from the list and enter any information in the "model" field that may help us identify the vehicle, such as any signage identifying the owner in the case of trucks.

Retain your notes even after completing the online form in case we need to contact you to clarify the information.

What does EPA do with the smoky vehicle reports?
If the vehicle description registered with VicRoads doesn't match the reported description, no further action will be taken. If the details do match, we will send a letter to the owner advising them that their vehicle has been reported as emitting smoke and may need repairs. The letter also says that, if the vehicle is observed emitting smoke by an EPA or police officer, the owner may be fined.

How much smoke defines a smoky vehicle?
The legislation defines a smoky vehicle as one which continuously emits visible smoke for 10 seconds or more.

Are diesel vehicles exempt?
The regulation applies to all cars, trucks, buses and motorcycles regardless of the engine type or even if they are going up a hill. Diesel engined vehicles are not exempt.

May not result in a direct action, but at least it's a start!

Craig H

[Franco Cozzo]

During easter holidays, I didn't see one cop on the road at all and I was travelling from central vic, through to the eastern suburbs often, lots of highway work without seeing a single marked cop car. Police blitz my ***, probably unmarked speed camera car blitz. How about instead of harassing some ************ with his loud exhaust, go put more police into Melbourne, Kings Street where all the night club violence is happening?

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

During easter holidays, I didn't see one cop on the road at all and I was travelling from central vic, through to the eastern suburbs often, lots of highway work without seeing a single marked cop car. Police blitz my ***, probably unmarked speed camera car blitz. How about instead of harassing some ************ with his loud exhaust, go put more police into Melbourne, Kings Street where all the night club violence is happening?

I worked in the CBD during easter and trust me there were more than enough police in the city.
Driving into work Friday night I saw three TMU cars on the Calder alone, where normally I don't see any.
I am unsure whether this operation listed in this thread was planned for Easter but sincerely doubt it as a massive traffic operation concentrating on speeding and drink driving, Operation Aegis, was underway.