Will the Holden brand survive? - Page 3

jpd80 · 20-04-2018, 06:47 PM

You can only get slammed so much before it starts to wear off.
Most would be overwhelmed by recent events but then become
pretty numb by the time the first lot are turned at dealer fleets

jpd80 · 21-04-2018, 11:33 AM

The goat in the back of the Colorado reminds me of the FX4 Ad.....

I like Ranger's new ad, subliminal message to Holden?

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Oh, I've been shaking
I love it when you go crazy
You take all my inhibitions
Baby, there's nothing Holden me back

Maka · 21-04-2018, 12:07 PM

G.o.a.t = greatest of all time, hard to equate Holden with that atm from that ad jpd80. They should've used a sheep because the few people who buy them atm are maybe lol?

cheers, Maka

ozrunner · 21-04-2018, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Maka

G.o.a.t = greatest of all time, hard to equate Holden with that atm ....

Why as surely that's Whincup in the back

roddy1960 · 21-04-2018, 08:07 PM

On WIN News tonight ...Fifty former Ford workers get jobs at HSV to build right hand drive Camaro's . Apparently 700 parts required and 60 hours per car and full production expected by July this year . Bloke interviewed from HSV said that it becomes Australia's product due to HSV's technical engineering and fabrication . On the story they said that the Opel based Commodore is down 52% on sales for March compared to March 2017 for the real Commodore .

So , although not outright Holden , it might help with a bit of brand association for them . Interesting times .

jpd80 · 21-04-2018, 09:14 PM

How ironic but good to see some fabrication/assembly jobs returning.
I read that they were aiming for about 1,000 cars a year, baby steps but still >80/month.

roddy1960 · 22-04-2018, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

How ironic but good to see some fabrication/assembly jobs returning.
I read that they were aiming for about 1,000 cars a year, baby steps but still >80/month.

I know Tickford are tweaking the Mustang but wouldn't it be great if a ratified crowd something like the old FPV /Prodrive could get hold of a few of the 5.2 litre flat plane crank motors from the GT350 and Ford Australia had responsibility to build a limited number of 350 spec units here . That'd up the anty straight away for HSV and Camaro .

I suppose all sorts of reasons why that can't happen but if remotely possible some could be assembled here for other RHD markets as ordered in the Southern Hemisphere such as New Zealand ,other South Pacific nations and maybe even African markets. We do know a thing or two about putting some special Fords together after all ...

Bossxr8 · 23-04-2018, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy1960

On WIN News tonight ...Fifty former Ford workers get jobs at HSV to build right hand drive Camaro's . Apparently 700 parts required and 60 hours per car and full production expected by July this year . Bloke interviewed from HSV said that it becomes Australia's product due to HSV's technical engineering and fabrication . On the story they said that the Opel based Commodore is down 52% on sales for March compared to March 2017 for the real Commodore .

So , although not outright Holden , it might help with a bit of brand association for them . Interesting times .

How can it have any brand association for them when it's a Chevrolet, and not a Holden or a HSV?

roddy1960 · 23-04-2018, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

How can it have any brand association for them when it's a Chevrolet, and not a Holden or a HSV?

Because most people know that Holden is an arm of GM as is Chevrolet and a few others and they'd be linked by that .

**DFB FGXR6** · 23-04-2018, 08:33 PM

Well the price slashing has begun.

Plastered over the front, back and inside pages of the Herald Sun with "HOLDEN DEMO CLEARANCE".

jpd80 · 23-04-2018, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy1960

I know Tickford are tweaking the Mustang but wouldn't it be great if a ratified crowd something like the old FPV /Prodrive could get hold of a few of the 5.2 litre flat plane crank motors from the GT350 and Ford Australia had responsibility to build a limited number of 350 spec units here . That'd up the anty straight away for HSV and Camaro .

I suppose all sorts of reasons why that can't happen but if remotely possible some could be assembled here for other RHD markets as ordered in the Southern Hemisphere such as New Zealand ,other South Pacific nations and maybe even African markets. We do know a thing or two about putting some special Fords together after all ...

How about this,
Prodrive hand build our engines here and sends them to the USA to go in our GT350s
the RHD GT350s get built down the Flat Rock assembly line and then come back to us..
A bit convoluted but it might avoid the "clog" that's caused by limited hand built US engines
and the issue of dummy engines being put into cars that then have to be replaced....

Bossxr8 · 23-04-2018, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

How about this,
Prodrive hand build our engines here and sends them to the USA to go in our GT350s
that get built down the Flat Rock assembly line and then come back to us..
A bit convoluted but it might avoid the "clog" that's caused by limited hand built US engines...

Complete woftam. They just need to hire new engine builders and run an extra shift on their engine build line.

Or do the smart thing and plan for extra export numbers before they go into production, which they have the chance to do with the GT500. Only recently one of the Ford media people did not rule out the GT500 coming here when asked if it would. Said something along the lines of we are hoping or some such. They didn't rule it out.

jpd80 · 23-04-2018, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Complete woftam. They just need to hire new engine builders and run an extra shift on their engine build line.

They will not lift a finger to increase hand built production line.

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Or do the smart thing and plan for extra export numbers before they go into production, which they have the chance to do with the GT500. Only recently one of the Ford media people did not rule out the GT500 coming here when asked if it would. Said something along the lines of we are hoping or some such. They didn't rule it out.

Not the way i heard it, more like don't get your hopes up........

LHD Production at Flat Rock had dropped away to about 7,000/mth but
there's no interest in increasing RHD production, why is that?
Maybe UK has its fill of Mustangs and its down to us as the major RHD market...

lra · 22-04-2018, 06:38 PM

Goats ! !
Obviously not as good for towing a trailerload of rocks as a ginger beard in a Colorado. Funny ? Not !

jpd80 · 23-04-2018, 04:30 PM

A better, easier way to achieve something different could be progressed more
quickly by using the higher spec Bullitt engine in a regular Premium GT fitted
with PP2 with stiffer suspension and big tyres in manual and auto.

Sprintey · 23-04-2018, 06:39 PM

Good original article for this thread.
When I saw on TV the rainbow coloured Colorado ad I considered that either the world had phase shifted so quickly I didn't notice, or that Holden had gone insane. Probably the latter.

Both Ford and Holden in this country have made the cardinal sin of trying to tell their core buyer group what to buy, and also how to be. When one of the latest german execs for GM got here the interview was all about 'educating' the buyer to FWD and that they would 'have to adapt'. Buyers have left in droves, current sales of ZB are no surprise whatsoever. The article mentioned higher Mercedes sales per dealership - of course, their volume selling sedan is RWD which certainly helps. Ford were no better, having all but given up advertising their Falcon around 2007 and its demise was off a much smaller base. Mustang is the saving grace (2 extra doors and a wagon, please). And amongst the great Ranger and Mustang sales, watch them strategically retreat with Fiesta and Mondeo...

Syndrome · 25-04-2018, 08:55 PM

The Holden cull continues:

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/holde...-23/71991.html

roddy1960 · 26-04-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

The Holden cull continues:

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/holde...-23/71991.html

The last person leaving the showroom , please turn off the lights .

jpd80 · 27-04-2018, 04:13 PM

unfortunately they couldn’t stand competition, almost everyone switched when new competition offered a wider choice of vehicles

Syndrome · 27-04-2018, 06:54 PM

I dropped into the Barry Bourke Holden dealer this afternoon to see what they had on display. A salesmen comes outside to see if he can 'hook one'. I tell him they probably can't sell a ZB Commodore to last week's division 1 lottery winner. "Oh we are selling many of them". ****ing liar.

roddy1960 · 27-04-2018, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

I dropped into the Barry Bourke Holden dealer this afternoon to see what they had on display. A salesmen comes outside to see of he can 'hook one'. I tell him they probably can't sell a ZB Commodore to last week's division 1 lottery winner. "Oh we are selling many of them". ****ing liar.

How long did his nose grow after he said that ?

Was he as convincing (not) as this lame vomit promoting insipid effort Syndrome ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03o1W-Sln9c OH dear , Makes even Ngaire sound convincing

mr smith · 27-04-2018, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy1960

How long did his nose grow after he said that ?

Was he as convincing (not) as this lame vomit promoting insipid effort Syndrome ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03o1W-Sln9c OH dear , Makes even Ngaire sound convincing

Thats sad..

.:4:. · 27-04-2018, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy1960

How long did his nose grow after he said that ?

Was he as convincing (not) as this lame vomit promoting insipid effort Syndrome ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03o1W-Sln9c OH dear , Makes even Ngaire sound convincing

Is there anything the new commodore can't do the guy asks in the video. 3 thing spring to mind, power oversteer, doughnuts, or sell.

jpd80 · 27-04-2018, 09:05 PM

This reminds me of Ford dealers trying to sell Taurus Ghia all those years ago..
Great car but people just couldn't get past the looks and what it was, FWD.

First job is to get people into the showroom, fail that and all the rest is for nought..

MITCHAY · 27-04-2018, 11:51 PM

I have seen a few Stingers but have yet to see one ZB 'fake' Commodore in Canberra.

They are truly ****ed.

eb2fairmont · 28-04-2018, 12:32 AM

Ive seen one zb

I see more 107 and 116 series Mercedes more often

Vormund · 28-04-2018, 06:09 AM

I've seen one ZB (I think it was a base model) and multiple Stingers.

TBH, I don't think the ZB is a bad car in isolation, but considering what it is up against and what it replaces....yeah not looking good.

hackney · 28-04-2018, 08:06 AM

Have been following a feed on the automotive section of Whirlpool Forums.One of the posters is obviously a Holden dealership employee.He was saying(in reply to another poster.) that they have let go quite a few employees over the past few years.He was also saying that their service dept is dead in the car servicing area.He also believes that the ZB is overpriced.Cheers

Syndrome · 28-04-2018, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hackney

Have been following a feed on the automotive section of Whirlpool Forums.One of the posters is obviously a Holden dealership employee.He was saying(in reply to another poster.) that they have let go quite a few employees over the past few years.He was also saying that their service dept is dead in the car servicing area.He also believes that the ZB is overpriced.Cheers

Link?

roddy1960 · 28-04-2018, 09:35 AM

To be fair I found this on my usual scroll through car You Tube vids last night .
Here's the RS Commodore (choke whenever I say or type that) but regardless Commodore 4 cylinder 2.0 Turbo version .

The car itself is okay but it's compromised in various ways even in this market being the mid sized one and same with the V6 with competition there . Holden needed to recognise it's just not a standout anywhere. Serious revamp very quickly or it's a dead duck if not already . The bloke said that the Holden release was the catalyst for this comparison .

Actually not a bad review for the family market between the Holden , Subaru Liberty , Toyota Camry and Ford Mondeo .

Quite enjoyed the aspects the bloke focused on .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgQ7GQbn0e8