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For the Viccos amongst us, new rules introduced today. I know many on here have commented on that there is no difference between using a fixed device versus an embedded device. Those rules have been tightened, especially for leaners and P-platers.
A summary is: New Victorian road rules 2023 New road rules are being introduced regulating the use of a range of portable, wearable and inbuilt devices while driving a vehicle or riding a motorbike. The rules expand and clarify a number of rules already in place for mobile phones, and take effect on 31 March 2023. The rules reflect the significant increase of in-vehicle technologies and other technologies capable of distracting a driver and are designed to help keep people safe on our roads. The rules are expanded from mobile phones and visual display units to cover: Portable devices (unmounted mobile phones, tablets); Wearable devices (smartwatches, wearable heads-up display); Inbuilt devices (Information, navigation, and entertainment systems, heads-up display that is an inbuilt part of the vehicle); Mounted devices (Heads-up display, tablet, mobile phone, media player etc if securely mounted in or on a vehicle); and Motor bike helmet devices. Rules for L and P platers are different to those for fully licensed drivers – see below. Drivers with full licences Learner, P1 and P2 drivers The penalty remains $555 and four demerit points.
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So if your vehicle has a heads up display or infotainment screen, you're risking a fine every time you drive the car?
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Gotta pay for everything somehow,
They should introduce new laws, you only get to vote after you've paid more than $3000 in fines because you've contributed to society above and beyond the normal taxes ![]() |
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Not a bad rule, since I'd qualify. Ask what you can do for your state, not what your state can do for you!
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Wow....clear as mud.
On a mounted device, can't.. Quote:
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So if on my mounted device, I scroll to play the next album, have I breached the rules?!
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And just like the sheep that we have become, we cop it sweet without a whimper!
Bloody ridiculous it is…. I also pity the poor honest cops attempting to enforce such draconian rubbish
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Just like how they picked and chose who they were going to enforce the laws on during lockdown...... ![]() |
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I think very few people will argue against the general idea of prohibiting use of mobile phones / devices when driving. I can't imagine anyone would advocate repealing these rules, but probably could do with a few tweaks.
Realistically, for you to get done, they'd need to produce evidence. And if they have video evidence of you doing it, then you'd have to have been pretty flagrant about it, and probably deserve it? If you take 3 seconds to change your music playlist, I can't see how they can tell if you only "touched it briefly" vs "scrolling". I see people texting with phone on their laps every time I head down the eastern fwy....no joke.....they deserve the extra tax IMHO.
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Melbourne's freeways are like driving in the Safeway car park at 5km/h, except they don't have pedestrians to watch out for, if you stack on one of those you're going to bounce off the car in front
![]() If they took it seriously it would have a four figure fine and 10 points, it's made so the fine and points are low enough that you'd risk it. It's like speeding for 20 over, until last year you could get caught three times, still keep your licence and still be in for just under a thousand bucks, it was the best value speeding fine. |
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VicPol HWP no longer do discretion. It’s guilty until proven innocent, and cause they know it would cost more to fight it in court, against a judge that will take their side, they don’t give a damn if it wasn’t worthy of a fine. Dan Andrews record debt levels because of their incompetence has to be paid for somehow. |
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According to this, there is a 3 month grace period from today, before infringements are issued.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/m...4097154564bdfe
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![]() Typical VIC revenue raising job I reckon. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 31-03-2023 at 09:46 PM. |
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Don’t really get what the fuss is with these laws, all they’re really doing is catching up with technology that’s been around since 2016.
That’s what happens when you get middle age plus people who call YouTube ‘the YouTube’ making laws that relate to tech. Just wait until Apple release their AR glasses, which everyone else will then follow. How they’ll be able to police those is anyone’s guess. That what these laws should have included. |
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I thought the cops in Victoria just shoot you.....
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So if AI can detect that you are distracted whilst having glasses on, that could be step 1. What a great time to be alive!
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You are great at calling out "draconian rubbish", so how would you fix the problem? - oh wait I bet you can't - just wait until you are hit by one of these inattentive ****-wits
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The intersection of Canterbury and Elgar Rds Surrey Hills, is a camera test site.
Google Street view on the North East (Surrey Park) side of the intersection shows a different style of t which I think maybe one of the new cameras. |
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Look, this is simply another blatant revenue grab… If they were truly serious about stopping mobile phone use when driving, then I’m sure there’s technology that could effectively block or jam the mobile signal once a mobile phone is in a vehicle?… But there’s no revenue $$$$s for Dan-tha-man in that! Similar to smoking or even pokies… If they were really so damn concerned about the health or financial repercussions on people, they’d (in the case of smoking) ban the manufacture or sale of cigarettes?… Again, no tax bucks in that is there? Pokies?… totally ban them (remember they’ve only been legal in Vic for 30yrs!) if they are doing so much damage to society? Or even speeding?… If they TRULY wanted to totally stop speeding, speed zones interacting with vehicle technology is already out there!… Again, the almighty revenue stream drys up though, doesn’t it?
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I travel a number of local freeways here in SA and have noticed recently that whilst passing under particular overhead gantry's a call will hang up every single time. I do an afternoon run every day down south and after the final stop I use my handsfree to call my Wife to give her an eta so we can discuss what we're having for dinner and when she should prepare it to be ready when I get home, everyday I'd pass under this particular gantry and the call would hang up, at first I figured it was just a phone glitch or reception issue but then it happened day after day to the point where I wait to make the call until after I've passed through it. I then noticed the same thing happening at other overhead gantry locations and have come to the conclusion that it must be some type of signal jamming device being trialled. |
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Before we get too hysterical. Fines in WA and QLD are double! Lets see how they are enforced, you've been given a 3 month grace period, that's pretty generous I think?
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There is quite a bit of flexibility there IMHO. Means its ok to use it for things like TorquePro and Forscan data monitoring.
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If you think about all the money the modern motorist has to shell out just for the convenience of owning a car, Rego, stamp duty, insurance, parking, parking fines, driving offences ( too numerous to list ), then you combine that by the number of cars on Australian roads and Clive Palmer is suing for pocket change in the big picture, they really make too much already. I know they are trying to save us from ourselves, but really if its still happening whatever they do to combat it is not working. Like mentioned in a above post there is tech that can kurb it that would cost a lot less than a new speed camera, but that doesn't top up the piggy bank for them to use on their next tax payers trip. |
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![]() That tech is not feasible for a car, its not illegal to use a mobile phone whilst driving provided its done safely, and also passengers would be affected. Imagine hoping into an uber and having your mobile phone jammed when you are trying to organise your night out. Why would they want to jam calls? Its not illegal to make calls hands free. Its the texting, instagraming, facebooking they want to stop.
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Im sure ride share vehicles could adapt with cradles for each occupant if need be. Its just a though, but with the right tech introduced they could stop the problem dead rather than spending the millions they do in campaigns saying that it reduces the problem, just spend the millions actually fixing the problem once and for all. |
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Does it have “honesty finger” AI technology? How do you PROVE (if you contest the charge) that the function you were carrying out was a legal one? Got up for gigs, the whole thing!
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I saw the news report of the trailer mounted cameras.
There was no mention of fixed cameras. My experience is so many drivers use the devices while stopped at the lights. |
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Its the blatant, texting on your lap, or holding the phone whilst driving that will cop it.
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