V-facts July 2009

PETE_XR6 · 05-08-2009, 11:55 AM

Any news? good or bad

PETE_XR6 · 05-08-2009, 12:33 PM

yes its real!

FIGURES RELEASED by the Society of the Irish Motor Industry (SIMI) show new car sales for the month of July were down 77 per cent, compared to the same period in 2008.

Just 3,759 new cars were registered in July, compared to 16,386 in July 2008. However this fall in sales is not as dramatic as it might appear, as July 2008 marked the changeover to the current emission-based VRT system and so sales were unusually high.

Brian Cooke of SIMI said: “There has been a drop in sales from July last year but last July’s figures were just as we converted to a new VRT system and many new car owners were waiting until then to purchase their new car.

“This dynamic is not there this year. July is traditionally a quiet month for trading in the motoring industry in terms of new cars.”

Overall car sales for the year remain 64 per cent down compared to year-to-date figures for 2008, with just over 50,000 cars registered.

“We have seen an increase in used car activity in dealerships but the main obstacle for customers seeking to buy continues to be the lack of available finance,” said Mr Cooke.

Figures for the number of imported used cars is also down significantly. Just 3,641 used cars were imported in July, compared to 7,233 in July 2008, which equates to a drop of 49 per cent

R-Design · 05-08-2009, 02:26 PM

It looks like the small car segment is continuing to boom.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarPoint

In its first full month on sale the sedan-only Cruze registered 1982 units according to industry statisticians, VFACTS. This compares to 3891 for the industry leading Corolla and 2785 for the Mazda3, both of which offer sedan and hatch variants.

http://carpoint.com.au/news/2009/sma...-success-16123

Joe5619 · 05-08-2009, 02:35 PM

I said this last month, but got shot down, but I'll say it again. Holden have done a very very very very very good job with Cruze.. Has the Focus ever sold that many in any month??

Archilino · 05-08-2009, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I said this last month, but got shot down, but I'll say it again. Holden have done a very very very very very good job with Cruze.. Has the Focus ever sold that many in any month??

I have to agree, my wife said last night after watching a cruze add on tv that we should trade in a car and get one, why? i asked. "it looks great and its a holden" havent spoken to her since.

Point being they have hit their market perfectly.

R-Design · 05-08-2009, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drive

Recession? What recession?

Middle Australia may be feeling the effects of the global financial crisis, but the top end of town still appears to have enough money to splash on new cars.

Figures released by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries today show that while the overall car market was down 10 per cent in July, sales of luxury cars bucked the trend.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...eID=64771&vf=7

Road_Warrior · 05-08-2009, 02:47 PM

I wonder how many of those were registered to dealers...

R-Design · 05-08-2009, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I said this last month, but got shot down, but I'll say it again. Holden have done a very very very very very good job with Cruze.. Has the Focus ever sold that many in any month??

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarPoint

"Normally in Australia cars don't normally go off immediately. Some places, like some places in Europe, you launch a new car and just goes off and then it takes a period to settle down. In Australia, it normally builds up quite slowly... This thing [Cruze] has just gone off! Every dealer's currently screaming and emailing me, saying we need more cars," Batey enthused.

I think this comment is BS, Mazda3 sold 3741 in it's first month is already down to 2800 in July. You're always going to get a lift with a new model, especially when you've been advertising it for months prior to launch (as in the case of the Cruze). Astra's & Viva's have been in stort supply as they're in run out, and the Cruze is replacing both. I wouldn't count my chickens just yet.

I wonder what effect Cruze sales are having on Commodore, it's not number one this month.

The Snout · 05-08-2009, 03:24 PM

Poor result for Cruze. Under 2000 units, only half as much as Corolla and on the back of all that advertising as well. At least expected it to knock off Mazda but couldn't manage that feat either.

Would be interested to know if it's Astra/Viva/Commodore customers going over to Cruze or if they are actually attracting any new customers.

**PepeLePew** · 05-08-2009, 03:39 PM

Trying to build a wave on a month of sales, Holdens fly flyers are always on the ball.

Now, do we have VFACTS figures yet so we can stop talking about Cruze? Enough Holden threads already!

Joe5619 · 05-08-2009, 03:45 PM

OMG, how people can have such Ford glasses on is unbelievable somethings.. The Sedan only Cruze result is nothing short of fantastic.. End of story, I'm not going to get shot down again, becuase of Ford glassed people!!

And the comment of a slow start is about a brand new name plant, not just a new model.

R-Design · 05-08-2009, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

Trying to build a wave on a month of sales, Holdens fly flyers are always on the ball.

Now, do we have VFACTS figures yet so we can stop talking about Cruze? Enough Holden threads already!

We might be waiting a while as the journo's have got to think of a positive way of telling us Holden sold less than 3800 Commodores last month. No wonder GMH launched their new engines yesterday...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe6519

And the comment of a slow start is about a brand new name plant, not just a new model.

Just like everything else Holden, the Cruze name is recycled.

ea90gl · 05-08-2009, 04:04 PM

Is this link below usually the place where monthly stats are found? If so where do you find stats for individual car makers

http://www.fcai.com.au/sales/latest-sales-reports

SarahN · 05-08-2009, 04:08 PM

Well there is a story on Carpoint showing the top 10 cars for July.

Road_Warrior · 05-08-2009, 04:13 PM

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2009...in-third-16127

Quote:

The top ten selling vehicles for the month were: Toyota Corolla (3891), Holden Commodore (3856), Ford Falcon (2837), Mazda3 (2785), Toyota Hilux (2563), Hyundai Getz (2147), Mitsubishi Lancer (2129), Hyundai i30 (2045), Holden Cruze (1982), Toyota Camry (4 cyl) (1717).

:-|

R-Design · 05-08-2009, 04:15 PM

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greenfoam · 05-08-2009, 04:22 PM

Got me beat how Ford have the best car in almost every class and still manage to sell almost none

Wretched · 05-08-2009, 04:25 PM

I am disappointed the Focus and especially the Fiesta are not in the top 10, the Focus is far better than the Corolla and the Fiesta has to be the best (if not equal with the more expensive Polo) in it's class.

greenfoam · 05-08-2009, 04:30 PM

Yep, Ford really don't grasp how to sell the Focus and Fiesta, the Fiesta is by far the best in class technically and in looks by a looooong way but isn't selling many. The Focus should sell just as many as anything else in it's class too but it doesn't...... It does everywhere else in the world so it's pretty much only Ford Australia to blame

EDManual · 05-08-2009, 04:32 PM

Maybe the companies selling more cars are selling at smaller margins to Ford, who may not be discounting and are happy to sell less at more margin. Why sell 3000 Fiestas at $15,000each or less like a Getz and make $1000 per car when you can sell 1000 Fiestas at an average price of $18000 and make $4000 per car?

Ghiadude · 05-08-2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EDManual

Maybe the companies selling more cars are selling at smaller margins to Ford, who may not be discounting and are happy to sell less at more margin. Why sell 3000 Fiestas at $15,000each or less like a Getz and make $1000 per car when you can sell 1000 Fiestas at an average price of $18000 and make $4000 per car?

that doesnt help me win an argument at the pub.

damit.

XR Martin · 05-08-2009, 05:56 PM

Problem with the Fiesta is the lame drivetrain when you option the auto.
Still think its a supply issue with them at the moment too

Nikked · 05-08-2009, 06:18 PM

Anything with a lion badge will sell.

Swordsman88 · 05-08-2009, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Problem with the Fiesta is the lame drivetrain when you option the auto.
Still think its a supply issue with them at the moment too

While it would be good to have the 1.6 in auto i wouldn't be so quick to attack the 1.4. For one, its not like people are buying auto light cars for the horsepower is it? Secondly, i doubt you'd be at any real disadvantage when dragging off a 1.5 (let alone 1.3) auto yaris....not that this scenario is very likely.

Its a combination of supply, premium pricing (even if it is worth it) and the usual public perception. It will take FOrd time to overcome this brand awareness issue....it took years of 'ford=falcon' to build it up and it will probably take nearly as long to spread the word the ford not only make great cars but a lineup of great cars.

Funny thing is that when i talk to people about Fords now i sense a slow realisation that they build 'quality'. Its only the diehard Holden bogan that resist this. Even people who aren't going to buy a Ford are starting to realise that they have some quality kit and aren't 'looking down' on Ford like you used to see. Im talking in that 3-4 years i have noticed this.

Archilino · 05-08-2009, 06:32 PM

Toyota 16664
Holden 10266
Ford 7783

Ghiadude · 05-08-2009, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archilino

Toyota 16664
Holden 10266
Ford 7783

That cant be good.

XR6_190 · 05-08-2009, 06:57 PM

Fiesta will NEVER outsell Getz and Yaris, Getz is a lot cheaper than Fiesta will ever be, and Yaris while still cheaper, is an automatic choice for most of it's customers, people that will buy a Getz or Yaris, will rarely buy anything else. As for Focus and Mondeo, well Ford probably could lift their game to sell more of them, but then the question is, would they need to drop profit margins to do so, if so is it worth it?

Wretched · 05-08-2009, 07:23 PM

Ford 2009 2008
Ford Courier 4X4 0 0
Ford Escape 8 104
Ford F250 4X2 0 4
Ford Fairlane 2 1
Ford Falcon 2,837 3,448
Ford Falcon Ute 817 1,328
Ford Fiesta 781 456
Ford Focus 742 1,243
Ford Focus Coupe Cabriolet 26 31
Ford LTD 0 0
Ford Mondeo 259 309
Ford Ranger 4X2 402 661
Ford Ranger 4X4 707 578
Ford Territory 939 1,028
Ford Transit 224 206
Ford Transit Bus 13 29
Ford Transit C/C 26 38
Ford Total 7,783 9,464

Change -17.8%

Holden 2009 2008
Holden Adventra 0 0
Holden Astra 369 1,488
Holden Astra Convertible 29 90
Holden Barina 760 750
Holden Caprice 106 98
Holden Captiva 953 738
Holden Colorado 4X2 350 198
Holden Colorado 4X4 686 148
Holden Combo 60 81
Holden Commodore 3,856 4,906
Holden Cruze 1,982 0
Holden Epica 127 259
Holden Monaro 0 0
Holden Rodeo 4X2 0 299
Holden Rodeo 4X4 0 381
Holden Statesman 51 294
Holden Utility 4X2 918 864
Holden Utility 4X4 0 0
Holden Vectra 2 0
Holden Viva 17 554
Holden Total 10,266 11,148

Change -7.9%

Toyota 2009 2008
Toyota Aurion 1,400 1,376
Toyota Avensis 83 80
Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 1,717 1,912
Toyota Coaster 16 37
Toyota Corolla 3,891 4,476
Toyota Hiace Bus 179 277
Toyota Hiace Van 649 908
Toyota Hilux 4X2 965 1,379
Toyota Hilux 4X4 1,598 2,174
Toyota Kluger 1,167 970
Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 226 632
Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 463 712
Toyota Prado 1,117 1,404
Toyota Prius 446 311
Toyota RAV4 1,039 1,114
Toyota Tarago 115 358
Toyota Yaris 1,593 2,401
Toyota Total 16,664 20,521

Change -18.8%

Windsor220 · 05-08-2009, 07:30 PM

Falcon ute and Focus seem to be the main culprits there

cosmo20btt · 05-08-2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wretched

Ford 2009 2008
Ford Courier 4X4 0 0
Ford Escape 8 104
Ford F250 4X2 0 4
Ford Fairlane 2 1
Ford Falcon 2,837 3,448
Ford Falcon Ute 817 1,328
Ford Fiesta 781 456
Ford Focus 742 1,243
Ford Focus Coupe Cabriolet 26 31
Ford LTD 0 0
Ford Mondeo 259 309
Ford Ranger 4X2 402 661
Ford Ranger 4X4 707 578
Ford Territory 939 1,028
Ford Transit 224 206
Ford Transit Bus 13 29
Ford Transit C/C 26 38
Ford Total 7,783 9,464

Change -17.8%

Holden 2009 2008
Holden Adventra 0 0
Holden Astra 369 1,488
Holden Astra Convertible 29 90
Holden Barina 760 750
Holden Caprice 106 98
Holden Captiva 953 738
Holden Colorado 4X2 350 198
Holden Colorado 4X4 686 148
Holden Combo 60 81
Holden Commodore 3,856 4,906
Holden Cruze 1,982 0
Holden Epica 127 259
Holden Monaro 0 0
Holden Rodeo 4X2 0 299
Holden Rodeo 4X4 0 381
Holden Statesman 51 294
Holden Utility 4X2 918 864
Holden Utility 4X4 0 0
Holden Vectra 2 0
Holden Viva 17 554
Holden Total 10,266 11,148

Change -7.9%

Toyota 2009 2008
Toyota Aurion 1,400 1,376
Toyota Avensis 83 80
Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 1,717 1,912
Toyota Coaster 16 37
Toyota Corolla 3,891 4,476
Toyota Hiace Bus 179 277
Toyota Hiace Van 649 908
Toyota Hilux 4X2 965 1,379
Toyota Hilux 4X4 1,598 2,174
Toyota Kluger 1,167 970
Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 226 632
Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 463 712
Toyota Prado 1,117 1,404
Toyota Prius 446 311
Toyota RAV4 1,039 1,114
Toyota Tarago 115 358
Toyota Yaris 1,593 2,401
Toyota Total 16,664 20,521

Change -18.8%

As a comparison to last month the utes are about the same, & about the same for the comode ute