R-Spec 2020 Mustang - Page 2

Whistlr · 11-10-2019, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Auto handles well over 1000nm in the F series 6.7 powerstroke V8. Handling the torque isn't a problem. Used in the Camaro ZL1 as well, which is similar torque. I think it's more likely requiring a full gearbox re-calibration to suit the supercharged motor is more the issue, cost wise. IMO.

I was thinking the same but I think this is just the start... no reason why they can't offer auto in the future.

In the future they can also look at having a different bumper design to further distinguish it from the standard GT. I don't think customers would mind paying a little extra for that.

Either that or Ford US get the idea that there actually is a viable RHD market for their Shelbys.

jpd80 · 11-10-2019, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Whistlr

I was thinking the same but I think this is just the start... no reason why they can't offer auto in the future.

In the future they can also look at having a different bumper design to further distinguish it from the standard GT. I don't think customers would mind paying a little extra for that.

Either that or Ford US get the idea that there actually is a viable RHD market for their Shelbys.

I bet they're waiting to see the GT500, I think it's getting an 8-speed DCT
as a compromise between auto and manual transmission.

What about 500 S/C Cobras, easy to do with white Mustang GTs.....

XR Martin · 11-10-2019, 01:02 PM

I doubt the ten speed in the Mustang is the exact same box that's behind a powerstroke f-series.

5thFordWA · 11-10-2019, 02:36 PM

Dick Johnson driving an R-Spec in a track demonstration at Bathurst over this weekend, same colour and all as above photos. He is no longer complaining about lack of grunt, as in the previous Mustang he raced in the 1980s!

Cheers.

**kypez** · 11-10-2019, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lunch

No doubt it’ll be a great car but an absolute waste of power, 339 kw is borderline unusable let alone 522, would be awesome on a track but for anything else it’s pointless. Can barely stick your boot into it in a standard S550 as it is.

The standard Mustang is SLOW!! Sure, it might go great from 0-100 or 0-whatever (especially in Auto), but in gear its terrible especially with our moonshot 3.55 final drive. Biggest issue I've had at the track is keeping it in its sweet spot out of corners. You're making extra shifts to keep it going.

The Supercharger will make this a pleasure to drive with torque available when you want it. I'm really looking forward to this product.

**Fordman1** · 11-10-2019, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lunch

No doubt it’ll be a great car but an absolute waste of power, 339 kw is borderline unusable let alone 522, would be awesome on a track but for anything else it’s pointless. Can barely stick your boot into it in a standard S550 as it is.

Good Rubber, wider wheels, Suspension 👍

jpd80 · 11-10-2019, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Good Rubber, wider wheels, Suspension 👍

Most importantly Ford signing off ADR approval on wider track/wheels for PP2.

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Originally Posted by kypez

The standard Mustang is SLOW!! Sure, it might go great from 0-100 or 0-whatever (especially in Auto), but in gear its terrible especially with our moonshot 3.55 final drive. Biggest issue I've had at the track is keeping it in its sweet spot out of corners. You're making extra shifts to keep it going.

The Supercharger will make this a pleasure to drive with torque available when you want it. I'm really looking forward to this product.

One of the biggest issues in recent times is gearbox ratios versus rear axle ratio.
A few years back, Mustang regular GT had a wide ratio box and tall gears and
the optional Sports pack gave shorter rear gears and closer ratio box.

What it really needs is short rear axle and Corvette's 7-speed manual trans. to really pop.
S/C Coyote will be the duck's guts for a few years and big price advantage over Camaro ZL1.

jpd80 · 11-10-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

I doubt the ten speed in the Mustang is the exact same box that's behind a powerstroke f-series.

Guys, the 80 in 6R80 and 10 R80 is a function of the input torque (800 lb ft)
That why Super Duty has 6R140 and soon 10R140 to handle 2020 6.7's torque increase
above 1,000 lb ft..

**kypez** · 11-10-2019, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Most importantly Ford signing off ADR approval on wider track/wheels for PP2.

One of the biggest issues in recent times is gearbox ratios versus rear axle ratio.

A few years back, Mustang regular GT had a wide ratio box and tall gears and

the optional Sports pack gave shorter rear gears and closer ratio box.

What it really needs is short rear axle and Corvette's 7-speed manual trans. to really pop.

S/C Coyote will be the duck's guts for a few years and big price advantage over Camaro ZL1.

Yes!

The ratios of the 15-17 Mustang are shorter (1:1 appearing in 5th vs the 18-19 which is 4th). The 18-19 gets a 3.73 in the states for this issue but we are lumped with the 3.55, probably something to help with getting past ADR or to save fuel.

jpd80 · 11-10-2019, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Yes!

The ratios of the 15-17 Mustang are shorter (1:1 appearing in 5th vs the 18-19 which is 4th). The 18-19 gets a 3.73 in the states for this issue but we are lumped with the 3.55, probably something to help with getting past ADR or to save fuel.

'11-'17 gearbox ratios (3.31 and 3.73 rear axle)
1 is 3.66
2 is 2.43
3 is 1.69
4 is 1.32
5 is 1.0
6 is .65

MT82 D4 '18 on (US =3.73 rear axle, AUST = 3.55)

1 is 3.24
2 is 2.10
3 is 1.42
4 is 1.0
5 is 0.81
6 is .62

Maybe needs 3.9s or 4.1s for real gains with NA Coyote...

the 3.55s on the '18 on close ratio box would feel like 3.15 rear axle on earlier Mustang

MITCHAY · 11-10-2019, 11:20 PM

What a weapon. S/C V8 are more fun with a manual gearbox IMO

Nikked · 12-10-2019, 09:42 AM

Wonder if this opens the door for more locally taylored products?

Brendog78 · 12-10-2019, 07:02 PM

Car developed in Australia? 40k in the states, looks more like marketing...

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...ger-brown-lee/

Brendog78 · 12-10-2019, 07:04 PM

Not saying it won't be an amazing car though 😎😎😎

rjk74 · 12-10-2019, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendog78

Car developed in Australia? 40k in the states, looks more like marketing...

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...ger-brown-lee/

160k for Zl1, 100k for Rspec l know which one id rather have.

**Fordman1** · 12-10-2019, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendog78

Car developed in Australia? 40k in the states, looks more like marketing...

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...ger-brown-lee/

So you have been here 5 mins and you’re trolling ?

$48,000 US = $72,000 AU add 10 % GST and that is about $80,000 add 33 % luxury sales tax makes it about $88,000.

Add shipping and other costs and you have over $90,000.

Now your little internet grab doesn’t look so good does it ? And that vehicle is exactly the same as this RSPEC vehicle including wheels suspension and everything else ?

Do some more research next time 👎

**Giant Cranium** · 12-10-2019, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

So you have been here 5 mins and you’re trolling ?

$48,000 US = $72,000 AU add 10 % GST and that is about $80,000 add 33 % luxury sales tax makes it about $88,000.

Add shipping and other costs and you have over $90,000.

Now your little internet grab doesn’t look so good does it ? And that vehicle is exactly the same as this RSPEC vehicle including wheels suspension and everything else ?

Do some more research next time 👎

your maths is wrong but the correct one makes your point stronger.

106000 then profit and shipping

arronm · 12-10-2019, 09:26 PM

Of course we get ripped OFF. Its Australia. If you want one , get the wallet out..

Brendog78 · 12-10-2019, 10:03 PM

Not trolling just don't like being lied to, saying it's a locally developed is obviously all marketing bs. No need to shoot the messenger. No wonder this forum is dead

Brendog78 · 12-10-2019, 10:10 PM

Any way, I just thought the link may have been of interest to some on the forum. I personally think the price is quite reasonable for a new car in Australia that has that performance.

Nikked · 13-10-2019, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Brendog78

Not trolling just don't like being lied to, saying it's a locally developed is obviously all marketing bs. No need to shoot the messenger. No wonder this forum is dead

The kit you linked doesn't include the suspention, body and exhaust mods the r spec has.

**Fordman1** · 13-10-2019, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

The kit you linked doesn't include the suspention, body and exhaust mods the r spec has.

Or the factory warranty, and OEM installation 👍

jpd80 · 13-10-2019, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brendog78

Not trolling just don't like being lied to, saying it's a locally developed is obviously all marketing bs. No need to shoot the messenger. No wonder this forum is dead

OK take a breath..
It's not all marketing BS, the kits at they stood would not pass our ADRs and had to be reworked and complianced locally, that's why the first Roush kits were'nt covered by Facory warranty or ADR compliant straight up.

On pricing,
Seriously, just look at the current exchange rate, our $65K GT premium in RHD is immediately USD $44K
The S/C Kit from Rousch retails in the US for $7,699 -AUS $11,322 and we're up to $77K without
wheels tyres, suspension and Harrop exhaust....is that worth another $20K including GST/LCT?
Maybe not but, you have two choices buy this with factory warranty or buy the kits and DIY,
good luck with the second option if anything in your new car goes ding....

People are obviously going to pay Ford's price because they don't want their
cars modified by just anyone and possibly voiding any Factory warranty.

What you saw in that link was a dealer selling a base $36K Mustang with a
near $8K S/C kit thrown on for $40K, obviously he's going backwards on
that deal as intending to sell lots more options on top to improve margins
because that's how US dealer advertising works (bait and switch).

Cobra · 13-10-2019, 01:51 PM

For $100k I think it's fantastic value. My only gripe is that I believe Ford should have offered the PP2 wheels with the Cup 2 tyres as an option, along with the huge Brembo brakes from the GT350. As a standard, factory package, I'm really excited by it.

arronm · 13-10-2019, 02:07 PM

Yep, its fantastic we get a supercharged mustang. About time....

jpd80 · 13-10-2019, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Yep, its fantastic we get a supercharged mustang. About time....

Had Ford been on it's game, ther would have been a transition from Miami powered FGX
to Aussie Miami engines being sent to the US to be installed on the production line.

Anyone thinking, "Huh, why would you do that?"
Answer is: way cheaper than Ford US can supply...

They really, really need Ford to go do the right think and sign off on PP2 approval,
that thing is gonna blaze the tyres without the better rims and rubber....

Bossxr8 · 14-10-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Yep standard engine. No need to strengthen it. It passes all Fords normal durability standards just like the FRPP supercharger package does. The Coyote is a tough motor. High compression isn't an issue with DI and VCT. Can bleed off cylinder pressure if required through cam timing. Don't know if it actually does that, but it can.

Looks like I was correct. Here's a quote from Rob Herrod.

Mr Herrod explained that upping outputs of the Mustang’s ‘Coyote’ 5.0-litre V8 by around 179kW and 258Nm using a supercharger required no changes to the engine internals due to its sophisticated quad-cam design.

“It’s a high-compression engine but with the quad cams we can actually bleed off compression through valve timing,” he said.

“You don’t have to put lower compression pistons in to supercharge the engine and for it to live, you can actually bleed the compression through the inlet and exhaust valves. It’s very complex.”

Mr Herrod said the electronic engine re-calibration to achieve this “comes from Ford’s end”.

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Originally Posted by simon varley

standard 10R80 is only rated to 800Nm though isn't it? Superduty must have a stronger one

Yeah Super Duty has some beefed up internals, but it's mostly the same box.

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Wonder if this opens the door for more locally taylored products?

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/ford/...-10/80301.html

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Had Ford been on it's game, ther would have been a transition from Miami powered FGX
to Aussie Miami engines being sent to the US to be installed on the production line.

Anyone thinking, "Huh, why would you do that?"
Answer is: way cheaper than Ford US can supply...

They really, really need Ford to go do the right think and sign off on PP2 approval,
that thing is gonna blaze the tyres without the better rims and rubber....

What is with Ford Australia's stubborn refusal to put decent rubber under the bum of their supercharged V8 cars? It would have been so easy this time, with PP2 already having 305's. Even if the rear end needed to be upgraded to handle the extra grip they have a number of options from the FRPP catalogue to use, which are also used in the GT500 like the half shafts, stronger diff cover etc.

Bossxr8 · 15-10-2019, 02:40 PM

I reckon they have kept the stock size tyres due to drive by noise. Getting the R spec noise compliant was a major job, and fitting wider tyres would have resulted in extra road noise. In my opinion anyway.

jpd80 · 15-10-2019, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Looks like I was correct. Here's a quote from Rob Herrod.

Mr Herrod explained that upping outputs of the Mustang’s ‘Coyote’ 5.0-litre V8 by around 179kW and 258Nm using a supercharger required no changes to the engine internals due to its sophisticated quad-cam design.

“It’s a high-compression engine but with the quad cams we can actually bleed off compression through valve timing,” he said.

“You don’t have to put lower compression pistons in to supercharge the engine and for it to live, you can actually bleed the compression through the inlet and exhaust valves. It’s very complex.”

Mr Herrod said the electronic engine re-calibration to achieve this “comes from Ford’s end”.

I know you've seen a lot of Miamis in your time but I gotta think that Ford
aced the Coyote with tis design and using the VCT to vary the dynamic compression,
almost like a Miller cycle.

Here's a cool youtube of Ford workers building the 2020 GT500 Predator

Hemihunter · 16-10-2019, 02:09 PM

Returning from Bathurst , i seen these doing the laps with Dick J driving i believe, I was surprised to hear that the GT had a much better exhaust note than the R spec Car.

talking to Sales guy it was in the vicinity of $110 -114 including on roads costs