Reflections - Autobarn Chadstone Revving up for Boys Toys, 15 02 2007 - Page 3

Psycho Chicken · 18-02-2007, 08:36 PM

I don't understand why everyone is bitching. If a car cops a canary it's obviously unroadworthy. Yes there are a bunch of "small" reasons to get defected. I bet 99% of people who get pinged for such reasons are either doing something stupid or being smartarses. It'd not like the canaries for little things are hard to clear either.

Sure there are cars out there that are rolling rust buckets that burn more oil than petrol. Just because they aren't getting booked doesn't give the rest of us some get out of jail free card when we get busted.

I know my car is unroadworthy on a few things. If I get booked I get booked. Big deal. All part of the game. If I didn't like the risk I wouldn't of modded anything.

**Sorted** · 18-02-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

I don't understand why everyone is bitching. If a car cops a canary it's obviously unroadworthy. Yes there are a bunch of "small" reasons to get defected. I bet 99% of people who get pinged for such reasons are either doing something stupid or being smartarses. It'd not like the canaries for little things are hard to clear either.

This thread kind of diverted...............lol.......again!

It wasn't that the cars got little yellow stickers it was how they got them, at a car show.............

Oh well............ on with the diverted topic...........

Psycho Chicken · 18-02-2007, 10:10 PM

But what did they get them for? I bet the parking tickets only came out when people started ****ing and moaning.

snypereb · 18-02-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

I bet 99% of people who get pinged for such reasons are either doing something stupid or being smartarses.

They were parked as show cars.

Psycho Chicken · 18-02-2007, 10:32 PM

Yes, until the show was ended and the ropes closing it in taken down.

LTDHO · 18-02-2007, 10:41 PM

Rob don't try and defend the actions taken.

Wrong was done.

**Sorted** · 18-02-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

But what did they get them for? I bet the parking tickets only came out when people started ****ing and moaning.

Did you even read the whole thread?

Or did you just read the bit about canary's and how people get upset when they get them..............

The show was supposed to finish at 9pm but it was shut down due to canary's being issued...........

Here's a bit just for you so you dont have to read the whole thread...........

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One of the organisers (i think she was..) got into an argument/discussion with said police officers about why they were defecting parked vehicles in an event organised with chaddy admin/autobarn/whoever was involved and to which they replied that the chaddy carpark (at least the one outside myer?) was considered "highway" and as such these "defective vehicles" were on the highway and were fair game.

All i was saying that its a bit of a Low act and its not the sort or Policing the public is happy about.......

You can drive your highly modified car on the road and as long as your not being an idiot the Police tend to leave you alone, these cars were at a show and its whole different ball game.

snypereb · 18-02-2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Yes, until the show was ended and the ropes closing it in taken down.

They got canaried whilst parked!!

Sammy B · 18-02-2007, 11:07 PM

Thats just ****** up, no-wonder so many people in the car community dislike them...

snypereb · 18-02-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy B

Thats just ****** up, no-wonder so many people in the car community dislike them...

I would change dislike to disrespect!!

Psycho Chicken · 18-02-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Rob don't try and defend the actions taken.

Wrong was done.

I'm not saying it isn't a low act. But at the end of the day an unroadworthy car is an unroadworthy car, no matter what the reason or where it was canaried. Would you object if a total rust bucket was canaried while parked?

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Did you even read the whole thread?

Yes I did read the whole thread.

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All i was saying that its a bit of a Low act and its not the sort or Policing the public is happy about.......

You can drive your highly modified car on the road and as long as your not being an idiot the Police tend to leave you alone, these cars were at a show and its whole different ball game.

So it might of been a low act, but at the end of the day part of their job is to get unroadworthy cars off the road. Modded cars get targeted for the simple reason they're an easier target to go after. You don't see beaten up old Corollas cruising in massive groups, do you?

Personally I believe it's a bit stupid to do it with all the stuff flying around at the moment. But it's been done and the police were well within their right to do it. You and I both know that there were probably no cars there on Thursday night that were ripping skids at Noble Park. But it's a deterant isn't it? In this thread alone people are saying they will be leaving cars at home. How many people are out there who will now think twice before doing something stupid?

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Originally Posted by snypereb

They got canaried whilst parked!!

What, they just teleported from driveways to Chaddie?

needfordspeed · 18-02-2007, 11:30 PM

No point complaining about it on a internet forum guys, the police are above us and can do whatever they want, we're just gonna have to get used to it.

snypereb · 18-02-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

What, they just teleported from driveways to Chaddie?

What the ******* are you on about? teleported? Dude they drove there for the show whilst they were parked they copped canaries.

ratter · 19-02-2007, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by snypereb

What the ******* are you on about? teleported? Dude they drove there for the show whilst they were parked they copped canaries.

That's his point, they were driven there and were unroadworthy.
How many roadworthy cars got canaried?

It's harsh what happened, but after noble park, the cops will flex their muscles to deter people and look good for the average citizen.

LTDHO · 19-02-2007, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ratter

That's his point, they were driven there and were unroadworthy.

I see this point however, this does not justify shooting fish in a barrel. Why get a modified car for low washer water when a mistreated vehicles drives continuously on bald tyres?

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Originally Posted by ratter

How many roadworthy cars got canaried?

Probably all. A car doen't have to be unroadworth to receive a canary!

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Originally Posted by ratter

It's harsh what happened, but after noble park, the cops will flex their muscles to deter people and look good for the average citizen.

Harsh is an understatement. However anyone who was at Noble Park on the famous night knows the damage made and actions against authority were not by motor enthusiests or persons involved in the modified car scene. So that event is irrelevant. Sure it is an easy scapegoat or excuse.

ratter · 19-02-2007, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

I see this point however, this does not justify shooting fish in a barrel. Why get a modified car for low washer water when a mistreated vehicles drives continuously on bald tyres?.

harsh reality is unroadworthy is unroadworthy

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Probably all. A car doen't have to be unroadworth to receive a canary!

Based on that statement you think every car that canaried was roadworthy, I'm sure every car that got a canary was in some form unroadworthy (although I have seen first hand a roadworthy vehicle get a canary)

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Harsh is an understatement. However anyone who was at Noble Park on the famous night knows the damage made and actions against authority were not by motor enthusiests or persons involved in the modified car scene. So that event is irrelevant. Sure it is an easy scapegoat or excuse.

you may be right, but it was the cars that drew the crowds there, probably thanks to the cops and the media, thre general public thinks it was the "hoons" that did the damage, but it was the hoons that painted the blackies on the road and human nature makes it guilt by association.

End of the day, if you were there and got a canary, make your car RWC get it off and then start all over again or leave it rwc.

LTDHO · 19-02-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ratter

harsh reality is unroadworthy is unroadworthy

Not true, roadworthy cars can still be defected.

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Originally Posted by ratter

Based on that statement you think every car that canaried was roadworthy, I'm sure every car that got a canary was in some form unroadworthy (although I have seen first hand a roadworthy vehicle get a canary)

Not every, I'm not sure on the ratio, but what I say is that there are more dangerous cars out there still

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Originally Posted by ratter

you may be right, but it was the cars that drew the crowds there, probably thanks to the cops and the media, thre general public thinks it was the "hoons" that did the damage, but it was the hoons that painted the blackies on the road and human nature makes it guilt by association.

The cars that go there are just sh**ers, nothing special. Nothing as good as the quality found at shows.

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Originally Posted by ratter

End of the day, if you were there and got a canary, make your car RWC get it off and then start all over again or leave it rwc.

As I said earlier. You can leave your car roadworthy and still get defected. It's that fact that a car that is fine, is still recored as defective and you still have to get it cleared (additional cost) for no reason.

GXL078 · 19-02-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fairlane_ghia

So, would this mean that any officer with a grudge against modified cars could stroll through the show and shine at summernats or even the Melbourne international motor show for example, handing out defect stickers?

It has been said before that police, if they wanted to, could defect a car that just rolled of the production line... So where is the line drawn?

What about the V8 supercars, Melbourne Grand Prix and Queensland Indy Champ cars? Many race tracks are based on public roads aka "highways"... Even though they would be closed off to the general public, what is stopping a police officer walking through the pits giving defect and speeding fines to race cars?

There are far more important social problems to be taken care off than a few modified cars, parked at in a shopping centre as a promotion for a store...

If these police had been driving down the M1 the other day, would 2 people have died in a totally preventable collision? Lord knows a speed camera wouldn't have helped...

I'm going off on a bit of a tangent now, but my problem is that the police should be focusing their resources on making the community a better place, not targeting a minority, for putting on an organised show and shine...

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This is the BEST POST I have read on here in a long while.
But hey, if I could DEFECT a purple RX7 I probably would, just for bad taste.

GXL078 · 19-02-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by snypereb

Lucky I didnt go. Shattered I missed out on the free beer. Shattering about the cops giving out canaries at a show think thats going a little far.

Free beer and modified cars. Now there's a great combination!

ratter · 19-02-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Not true, roadworthy cars can still be defected.

Not every, I'm not sure on the ratio, but what I say is that there are more dangerous cars out there still

The cars that go there are just sh**ers, nothing special. Nothing as good as the quality found at shows.

As I said earlier. You can leave your car roadworthy and still get defected. It's that fact that a car that is fine, is still recored as defective and you still have to get it cleared (additional cost) for no reason.

Not trying to have an argument with you but I think you are not reading my posts correctly.
I agree it was harsh what happened, but fact is, it has been happening for years.

You mention a scenario about a car being canaried for washers, fact is it is a rwc item, although it would be harsh to get done for just that., But as I said unroadworthy is unroadworthy. Copping a canary and your car is rwc is crap!
Without knowing the cars that got canaried, I pretty certain that everycar that has to get a rwc done will have to change something to help it pass.

I agree about some cars being more dangerous than a car that's too low for instance, but as mentioned you don't see them gathering in great numbers and drawing attention to themselves.

We know it's normally the idiots with the sh1tters that cause the trouble, but fact is they follow the good cars and then we are all seen as 1 group.

XRated · 19-02-2007, 11:58 AM

How many of you whingers have written into the local council representative(s) or done anything constructive except **** and moan on a forum full of unroadworthy E-Series?

And in summary..
- Autobahn organises a "show and shine" (woo hoo.... Awesome....)
- Some unroadworthy cars on display get defected because they're on property classified as public highway (and no they weren't trailered or teleported there, due to popular misconception).
- Enthusiasts who wonder why they get little respect from the Authorities whinge on a forum without doing anything constructive to change the issue at hand. Again.

**Sorted** · 19-02-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by XRated

How many of you whingers have written into the local council representative(s) or done anything constructive except **** and moan on a forum full of unroadworthy E-Series?

And in summary..
- Autobahn organises a "show and shine" (woo hoo.... Awesome....)
- Some unroadworthy cars on display get defected because they're on property classified as public highway (and no they weren't trailered or teleported there, due to popular misconception).
- Enthusiasts who wonder why they get little respect from the Authorities whinge on a forum without doing anything constructive to change the issue at hand. Again.

That sounds to me like you are having a so called "whinge" as well...........isn't this what the forums are about, discussions with others? I am sure you have "whinged" on the forums before...................whats the problem?

We will see what everyone thinks when the TMU comes to the next AFD and Canary's every car on display, no one will have a so called "whinge", yeah right.........as if!

This is more about having good relationships with the Police and if they respect us we will respect them more........

XA-Coupe · 19-02-2007, 01:13 PM

I got to say, I don't see discussion.. just whinging. Noone has done or proposed anything to remedy the situation, just ...well.. whinged.

LTDHO · 19-02-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

I got to say, I don't see discussion.. just whinging. Noone has done or proposed anything to remedy the situation, just ...well.. whinged.

What do you suggest?

How can things improve?

XA-Coupe · 19-02-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

What do you suggest?

How can things improve?

suggested before, I am not going to sound like a broken record every time people want to go off and complain. In every thread about this I have said what I think needs to happen.

poomba · 19-02-2007, 01:26 PM

If the people (anyone, anytime) have a real problem with wrong being done by them by the police, then take it to court. thats the only answer.

they are targeting a specific consumer, which has arguments for and against. the specific consumer in this case, is renound for causing trouble. that may not be all of US but it is the case... just like males between 18 and 26 being renound for drink driving, just as females are renound for puzzling blokes with arguments that don't make sense, just as golf is renound for being the most stressfull form of stress relief. unfortunate for us i guess. on the same note however, this almost seems like entrapment. unfortunate that people performing a selfless act putting their car on show for anothers benifit walks home with a sticker...

whoever said they can ping you if they think the car has been on a roadway within the last 7 days is wrong... they could "think" a 50yr old paddok basher has been on the road 7 days prior, and take him to town...

What can we do? they wont revolk the tickets, they'll just ping us wienging e series owners club members next time they see us.

the law has too many loopholes to argue for, like the definition of roadways Vs private property, or the empowerment of a cop with a grudge, and us the power to do nothing about it.

Unfortunatley there are those among us enthusiasts that thinks they are above the law, and do stupid things. but then there are those that spend the money because they enjoy the simple pleasures of owning a personally customised and enhanced vehicle.

I know i would rather see a rust bucket hiace van, packed full of people that don't speak english, with the driver pumping the brakes to stop with a canary than a neat e series that is clearly well kept. but unfortunatley we are easier prey. what can i do about it? only option is take it to court if i disagree with my treatment... and if that is the case, i'll let the officer that has a grudge know about it too...

i wonder how many laws were being broken on the streets in chadstone, while the police were in the carpark staring at stationary cars???

Also, it was mentioned at the start of the thread that police read these forums, i also know there is a member on here that has opened up, and said he is a member of the police force... i invite them to share their thoughts, i am interested to hear the theory behind the methods.

montyv8 · 19-02-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

A lesson. Any car in a car display. Remove plates & cover VIN/Rego.

unfortunately it doesn't work like that Dan. After looking at the VIN stamped on the body, and giving you the defect, they'll give you a ticket for having an unregistered vehicle... or not having a visible rego sticker/plates... or whatever the hell they want, because they can.

thats the way it works...

montyv8 · 19-02-2007, 03:21 PM

just like they can drag you from your car and tell you you are resisting arrest... :(

LTDHO · 19-02-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

suggested before, I am not going to sound like a broken record every time people want to go off and complain. In every thread about this I have said what I think needs to happen.

OK thanks.

I hadn't read it...

Oh well.

XA-Coupe · 19-02-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by poomba

whoever said they can ping you if they think the car has been on a roadway within the last 7 days is wrong... they could "think" a 50yr old paddok basher has been on the road 7 days prior, and take him to town...

that
was me, and disagree at your own risk.

I might add, the quickest way to get the cops on side is to invite them. Operation Drag Safe is staffed by really good guys who are making a genuine effort to bridge the gap. Whilst it doesn't guarantee anything, the cops are less likely to make tools of themselves if they have their own there.
Mind you, if your car is unroadworthy it is just the risk you run.