This could have been real nasty

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by Russell

I know, I know. It is quite unlike me to make such a grammatical error.

Originally Posted by Russell

apologized

Spelling too.

Seriously, good that they acknowledged their mistake. Also good to see the tried and true method of blaming the guy who doesn't work there any more is still going strong!

[RG]

Originally Posted by Peuty

Spelling too.

Seriously, good that they acknowledged their mistake. Also good to see the tried and true method of blaming the guy who doesn't work there any more is still going strong!

Don't blame me for the spelling, it's the damn dictionary that google has. Apologised, the z is the American spelling.

As for blaming the "ex-employee", I can understand that. You don't ever want to tell a customer that the bloke who made such a screw up is still the one doing the work.

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by Russell

Don't blame me for the spelling, it's the damn dictionary that google has. Apologised, the z is the American spelling.

As for blaming the "ex-employee", I can understand that. You don't ever want to tell a customer that the bloke who made such a screw up is still the one doing the work.

Yeah but by the same token, everybody learns from their mistakes too.

[RG]

Originally Posted by Peuty

Yeah but by the same token, everybody learns from their mistakes too.

I wasn't too impressed by them first saying "we don't use loctite, they don't need them and it makes them harder to get out". They really didn't like my reply of "You only use the the thread locker, not the perm a seal stuff, and to get them out you just use a little more muscle, not real hard mate".

Anyway I won in the end, the way I like it.

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by Russell

I wasn't too impressed by them first saying "we don't use loctite, they don't need them and it makes them harder to get out". They really didn't like my reply of "You only use the the thread locker, not the perm a seal stuff, and to get them out you just use a little more muscle, not real hard mate".

Anyway I won in the end, the way I like it.

Hairy muff. Good result either way.

[5.0 ED]

Don't get me wrong i like loctite and all. BUT......

Loctite melts when hot, it then forms into thick lubricating oil like substance again, you know the sort of substance that helps do up and undo bolts, just like when it came out of the bottle. Read the full instructions, somewhere you'll find a if you can't get bolt undone afterwards heat the bolt. Loctite to remain good should be kept in the fridge for a reason.

I have never pulled a set of calipers off to find any thread locking substance on the bolts and i spend around 15 hours a week in a tyre/suspension workshop - my mornings.

The bolt that is use is an intergral locking washer bolt on them, it is not suppost to need anything to lock it up. (and i actually make bolts for a living every night, come visit me in the workshop if you like i get very bored).

And my final remark is that ford do things for a reason, nearly everything in our cars is done from some sort of research and development. Once again i've never seen a pair of calipers pulled off a under warranty car to have thread locker on the bolts.

So in saying all these things, you guys make up your own mind as to wether or not to thread lock them, personal i don't, i just do them up to a bit over correct tension. Which is where i think you'll find the person who touched the bolt on your car last russell, went wrong. Either way it was their fault.

RANT off.

[JC]

Originally Posted by 5.0whiteaughia

Don't get me wrong i like loctite and all. BUT......

Loctite melts when hot, it then forms into thick lubricating oil like substance again, you know the sort of substance that helps do up and undo bolts, just like when it came out of the bottle. Read the full instructions, somewhere you'll find a if you can't get bolt undone afterwards heat the bolt. Loctite to remain good should be kept in the fridge for a reason.

I have never pulled a set of calipers off to find any thread locking substance on the bolts and i spend around 15 hours a week in a tyre/suspension workshop - my mornings.

The bolt that is use is an intergral locking washer bolt on them, it is not suppost to need anything to lock it up. (and i actually make bolts for a living every night, come visit me in the workshop if you like i get very bored).

And my final remark is that ford do things for a reason, nearly everything in our cars is done from some sort of research and development. Once again i've never seen a pair of calipers pulled off a under warranty car to have thread locker on the bolts.

So in saying all these things, you guys make up your own mind as to wether or not to thread lock them, personal i don't, i just do them up to a bit over correct tension. Which is where i think you'll find the person who touched the bolt on your car last russell, went wrong. Either way it was their fault.

RANT off.

It's great that you work in a bolt place, and that you work in a suspension place, but you mustn't be looking at the things you are doing. Every falcon I have done the brakes on, plus our current explorer, has had either red or yellow loctite on the bolts. Also, if the callipers get so hot as to melt the loctite, then you have some serious braking issues anyway. As pointed out above, there are different grades of loctite - I tend to use the blue stuff (permatex actually), as it holds things together, is heat and oil/fuel resistant, and just needs muscle to undo it.

[5.0 ED]

JC i take that full into suggestion that it could be on there, i just have not seen it. It is in fact highly likely, i cant remember ever taking bolt out of a caliper and actually looking for a form of loctite on their.

But as for calipers getting hot and melting it, the temp to melt loctite and so on actually isn't that hot, somewhere around 100c, and I can see it feasible that your caliper would get that hot at times.

The whole point i am trying to get at here is that if ford do or don't put it on from factory on a bolt it is done so for a reason.

And what i do know for sure is my last pad change on my AU was done by a ford workshop, a very reputable one, and there is absolutely no sign of any previous thread locking substance on my retaining bolts.

[blueoval]

Russ, you are a lucky mofo. Im real glad everything turned out well in the end. This is a good warning for all of us out there. Ya just cant take things for granted. Whether you loctite or dont, its up to you, the driver to feel confident in the work under taken. After all its piece of mind if your confident in your braking system to pull you up satisfactorily when needed. I too go with the motto, 'Its better to be safe, than sorry'.

[Firebell AU3SR]

Russ,you are one lucky man for sore.With this near miss, i would like to ask you guys the following question which i was going to ask before reading this post as i need to replace my front brake pads.In my Gregory's service manual under the heading ' it has the following warning

[Firebell AU3SR]

Sorry guy's computer went funny with bad weather, The warning: "On AU series 2/3 do not re-use caliper guide pin bolts.These bolts have a special adhesive coating that is damaged once they are removed". Do you guy's replace them and if so can you only get them from ford?
Thanks Steve

[toyotaxr8]

this is the stuff to use on brake bolts

http://www.henkel.com.au/cps/rde/xch...ID=10000009QUG

[vztrt]

Had the same thing happen to me (in the hand me down Camry), except the caliper came off at 80kph going to a mates house. Still managed to nurse it back home. Found out that the mechanic (thats kept going on about safety) who did the work rounded the bolt and stuffed it up.

[FTE217]

JC you are spot on, having done my brakes many times myself I always b---h you need to undo the caliper bolts all the way with the ring spanner as from factory Ford use the yellow coloured loctite, well that was on my ex XR8 bought new and there's still bits left on my TS50 the last time I stripped my calipers.
If a so called mechanic neglects to put a some back on at refit sheer neglect and laziness imo. First thing I was taught being a brake specialist longlong ago.

By the way Russell lucky boy as has been said and good the workshop has accepted responsibility.

[RG]

Just too bad it has caused uneven wear from being loose. Had a proper look at the rotors last night and found the passenger rotor to be ok but the drivers side (affected side) to be near on stuffed. Not so slotted anymore :

Looks like the brakes are going to have to be done a little sooner than anticipated.

[XR6_661]

Did you notice a sort of a “tick tick tick tick tick tick” noise before the bolt dropped?

[jcxr]

Russ, you mentioned you would name and shame them for doing a shonky job, but how bout naming them for the rather friendly outcome.

[RG]

Originally Posted by XR6_661

Did you notice a sort of a “tick tick tick tick tick tick” noise before the bolt dropped?

Nope, all I heard was BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP BWAAAAAAAAAAAP
Can't hear much over my engine at WOT

Originally Posted by jcxr

Russ, you mentioned you would name and shame them for doing a shonky job, but how bout naming them for the rather friendly outcome.

Hmm yes I can do that.

Mr Brakes - Howitt Street Ballarat.

[Peuty]

When you did the brakes, were the rotors new to begin with? IF so, what did you use?

[RG]

Originally Posted by Peuty

When you did the brakes, were the rotors new to begin with? IF so, what did you use?

Nah, they were used but not too old. But I do know that they are DBA Slotted.

[Peuty]

You going to replace them with the same then I assume? I'm in need of some myself is all.

[RG]

Originally Posted by Peuty

You going to replace them with the same then I assume? I'm in need of some myself is all.

Probably, they seem to do the job ok.

[RG]

An Update.

Rang this morning to see if they had arrived, checked what they were and after a little hesitation he said yep we have them in stock already. I found that a bit odd as they aren't a real common part so I queried him on the part and they turned out to be the standard 287mm rotors he had. After a little discussion and a call back suddenly he has no knowledge of mine having the premium brakes, can't remember our 2 phone calls and the time I went in there and basically played dumb and said he can't do them for anywhere near the price he originally said.

Real nice that is, initially deny fault. Then admit it, say you'll do right by me then when it comes to it give me a price that is over inflated above what I can get them for from any other retailer.

So anyone from Ballarat I suggest that you steer clear of Mr Brakes if you value your safety.

[NC1183]

It seems to be going around in circles with this bloke.

[Hords]

Originally Posted by Russell

So anyone from Ballarat I suggest that you steer clear of Mr Brakes if you value your safety.

Maybe he should retitle the shop to Mr. Rollercoaster...
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Originally Posted by Russell

Considering how hard I was pushing through what IMO is one of the best driving roads in this state I am DAMN lucky.

What road would that be Russ?
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[RG]

Originally Posted by hords

Maybe he should retitle the shop to Mr. Rollercoaster...
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What road would that be Russ?
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The road between Woodend, Trentham, Blackwood, Daylesford. Twisty, 100k and quiet.

And I think a more appropriate name would be Mr......as a mod I will not try to avoid the swear filter.

[Hords]

Originally Posted by Russell

The road between Woodend, Trentham, Blackwood, Daylesford. Twisty, 100k and quiet.

Think I may need to refamiliarise myself. Been a good couple of years since I've done Woodend, Trentham and Blackwood. Daylesford I probably haven't been to in 5 years.

[RG]

Originally Posted by hords

Think I may need to refamiliarise myself. Been a good couple of years since I've done Woodend, Trentham and Blackwood. Daylesford I probably haven't been to in 5 years.

It sure is a fun road :evil3:

[BIGJB]

Darn only just read this thread.
The images it put in my head were sickening. Could have ended in disaster
very quickly.