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08-11-2008, 07:34 PM | #1 | ||||
Captain Malcolm Reynolds
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Adelaide Cruizn Fords had their first dyno day today and I decided to go along, and after a bit of throwing round the whole "should I, shouldn't I" I bit the bullet and decided what the hell, may as well get a readout so I've got something to work on with future mods.
Now my car is mechanically stock, save for a cat back exhaust which was only put on because the factory system was about to fall off. The car has done about 142,000kms and is about 2,000km's overdue for a service, so I really wasn't expecting heaps. My prediction was anywhere from 95 to 110kw at the wheels. Needless to say I was extremely surprised and happy when it pulled 132.5rwkw! Very happy with this and can't wait to save enough cash to keep modding it and maybe hopefully even try crack the 150 mark next dyno day!
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08-11-2008, 07:36 PM | #2 | ||
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Generous dyno!
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08-11-2008, 08:49 PM | #3 | ||
Teh Baest
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a) Freak! or b) JMM - like dyno Hopefully it is (a)! Mine dyno'd at 131 or 132 with extractors, 2.5" exhaust, 3" intake, ambi pur plug in, 110W Off Road Globes, K&N Sticker and CMS Stg2 Cam (before tune) on 98 RON (Never driven on anything else!) Final Tune FINALLY next week Hoping 140rwkw and close to 400rwnm On a dynodynamics dyno, i will be looking at over 150rwkw
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1999 Liquid Silver AU Show: XR6 Kit, Low, RDA Slotted's F&B, Fully Tabouli Sound System, Altezza Tailights (Good ones!) Go: K&N Pod w/ 3" intake, XR6T Snorkel, Pacie Comp 4480's, 2.5" Cat Back, CMS Stg2 Cam, Custom Tune, Tranny Cooler Coming..CMS Stg2A Cam, 68mm TB Later.. 4.5L w/ BOOOOOOOOOOST or XR6T or AUIII XR8 220 Currently: 151kW (165 on other dynos ) |
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08-11-2008, 09:28 PM | #4 | ||
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Dyno'd at HPT?
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When close is good enough and the 6 MPS in the driveway has FoMoCo written all over the place. Xr5 for sale shortly...just not a hatch guy |
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08-11-2008, 09:43 PM | #5 | |||
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you really should post up your readout aswell
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08-11-2008, 09:47 PM | #6 | |||
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08-11-2008, 10:08 PM | #7 | ||
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squid ink and dynos have similar significance. They both cloud your perception so you dont know what is really going on. The true dyno is the racetrack. No need to bag peoples dyno figures as they are all pretty much different
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08-11-2008, 10:21 PM | #8 | ||
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In saying that though, a good setup with awesome set of gears, good stall and some slick driving can yield a half a second on alot of cars, some maybe more.
it can often be mistaken as alot more hp, a drag is only and acceleration race. Though i rather a good time then a readout, also much more fun. :
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09-11-2008, 02:53 AM | #9 | ||||||
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To tell the truth I'm really itching to get it on a couple more dynos for a couple more readouts just to see how much difference there really is now.
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09-11-2008, 08:49 AM | #10 | |||
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Dynos are powerful tuning tools and in the right hands are extremely valuable for extracting power from all sorts of places. The race track is just that, a place to race. Tuning is much more difficult on a race track due to many other variables. Tuning on a dyno is much easier as it reduces the amount of variables. You shouldn't tarnish a dynos reputation because you had problems. You used a different dyno every day of the week, yet expected consistant results. If you use the same dyno all the time with a decent operator, you will have great success. Having said all of that, yes different dynos in different locations under different conditions with different operators will show different results. That's not the dynos fault. Different race tracks in different locations with different drivers will also show different results.
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09-11-2008, 09:33 AM | #11 | ||
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I found Bruces' dyno and dyno setup quite cynical when hes tuning at least....
The whole case for those that take affront to dyno numbers rests on either crap dynos or incorrectly setup dynos.... Either you do have a freak or just a correction factor slipped between a series of cars going on and off the thing. Either way, frame your chart and enjoy ;)
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09-11-2008, 10:09 AM | #12 | ||
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Yeah thats a huge number for a stocko even moreso not being a Tickford engine....My XR6 with Paccies ,MetalCat ,full Zorst and CAI pulled 130rwkw.
enjoy it lol ,you just might have the most powerful stock AU in the country ;)
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09-11-2008, 10:21 AM | #13 | |||
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Mate , dynos are a great tuning tool..we all know that.However I learnt long ago that when my fellow au counterparts get a car dynoed in say wa and then another in say tasmania then the dyno readouts cant be compared between the 2 so the figure is not really a true representation of the cars performance on that basis. The track ,et and mph are a reliable indicator of power output for a pb.Tuning is a time consuming process where you really need to drive the car to see the real life results..is the throttle response bettter? Did the cars timeslip show better time interval gains after tuning? These are the true test of the result. A dyno is a usefull tool but it is only as good as the real life result independant of the numbers strictly between different dynos. I am not rubbishing dynos at all.Many people have been given big numbers from dyno readings only to find that the car cannot pull correspondng times at the track for the power given. In saying that they are a darn safe and effective tool to see where there are flatspots,leanouts and torque characteristics of a car for improvement. cheers
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09-11-2008, 10:36 AM | #14 | ||
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Anybody else get sick of all the raectrack talk? I drive a car that was built to carry stuff (not that it ever will). It's about as close to a racecar as I am to being gay - so far off it's not funny. Why would I therefore want to make it go faster round a track?
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09-11-2008, 10:40 AM | #15 | ||
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yep, i'm with you b2tf.
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09-11-2008, 01:18 PM | #16 | ||
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The track is a good indicator for those who go. Daily driving duties will put the best and worse tuning jobs to the test for others Austin. No worries mate I got the hint.
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09-11-2008, 02:23 PM | #18 | |||
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09-11-2008, 02:31 PM | #19 | |||
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09-11-2008, 04:20 PM | #20 | ||
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Now lets see a 1/4 mile slip, lol.
I run 14's, but can only muster 133 kw.
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Track times are no better indicator for people who are interstate sharing timeslips. Too many variables which can have a dramatic effect on ET's and terminal speed. Traction, temperature, driver ability, clutch condition, transmission condition, track surface, and plenty of other things. Some drag strips are just capable of producing better numbers than others. So the consistency of a drag strip is no better than a dyno, state to state. Quote:
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10-11-2008, 06:31 AM | #22 | ||
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this was done on a respectable dyno. some of the power figures seem a bit high, most were about right though and some were low for there mods. dynos are funny things.
i wasnt there but know majority of the cars, i wouldnt worry too much about it though it is a good readout and shows your motor is healthy.
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10-11-2008, 04:36 PM | #23 | ||
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I was there at this dyno day and saw what Rik pulled. None of us could believe it either and even Bruce did say it was a high number but said the AU2's were a good breathing motor.
I admit, there is an element of skepticism, but also a mark of promise from my part as I have a car nearly identical to Rik's in model and year. I hope my car can perform as well as riks did when the next dyno day comes. :P
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10-11-2008, 05:34 PM | #24 | ||
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we all own fords and are well aware of the strange thing they do to the cars. Who's to say it hasn't been fitted with a better head with bigger valves just cause they had it lying around. Look what theydid with the rpo83's, all fitted with phase 4 running gear. My au1 xr makes the same power as this and it's been called a freak cause it's only got a cat back but it's done over 250000km. It's had 2 power runs on different dynos on 2 very different days, one was 40 degrees and the other was 25. Let's face it some of us just get healther cars than others. I think mine was put together on a wednesday as the old saying goes
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10-11-2008, 06:47 PM | #25 | ||
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His is auto, Im assuming yours is as well? 135kw should be weilding a 14 second pass at the track in auto form, I dont really think we can have the AU and the rpo 83 in the same context. What would be the better head, or valves, there were no superseded models to get them off, they would have had to have been custom made, and Ford would not have done that at all.
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10-11-2008, 07:18 PM | #26 | ||
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no the au is no comparison for the rpo but surely you catch my meaning. My au is actually a manual and my 15.3 run was when the car was completely stock, even down to the original and very ratshit 10yr old exhaust and I'd only had the car 24hrs. It had 225000km on it then.
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10-11-2008, 07:23 PM | #27 | ||
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just as a matter of intrest my xr6 has same mileage, done on a dyno 2 weeks ago, my little brother took it to a toyota day , i was`nt really fussed to be honest at the time but i`am pretty happy its still making decent power since 50k ago since the last dyno, mine is similar stock except for 3" exhaust through to extractors, out side air temp was 26 degrees running e10 fuel, set up run made 123 kw final run made 127.2 kw, 1`m wondering if running premium instead of e10 would have made any difference?
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10-11-2008, 08:23 PM | #28 | ||
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most probly would have. I always run mine on bp ultimate. I wouldn't put e10 in my bastard neighours lawn mower. I know the 3inch exhaust debate has been covered but maybe it's half an inch to big for a basicly stock car.
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10-11-2008, 09:18 PM | #29 | ||
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i know rik was using premium 98ron fuel when he made that run. perhaps that helped his readout a little bit.
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11-11-2008, 03:07 AM | #30 | ||
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I run a three inch, and nothing but E10 for the last 2 and a half 3 years.
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