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Police watching where you Go
SEAN BAUMGART July 29, 2010 - 3:00AM A traveller uses a Go Card to access transport in Queensland. Police are tracking commuters' movements on Brisbane public transport using their Go Card records. Officers are using the technology to not only pinpoint the movements of criminal suspects but also potential witnesses. One woman has told brisbanetimes.com.au she was contacted last month as part of a murder probe after police tracked her down via her Go Card, which is registered with her details by TransLink. Queensland's Go Card payment card. Police confirmed Go Card records had been used as part of an investigation into a New Farm murder last month. The woman, who wished to remain anonymous, said she felt rattled when called by a detective seeking information on a bus trip she'd taken in New Farm three weeks earlier. Her unease grew when the officer also revealed the name of her partner. “He was saying, 'You were travelling on a certain bus on a certain day at a certain time',” she said. “And I said, 'That could be my partner [using my Go Card]. And he said, 'Would that be ...', and then gave his name. And I thought, 'Oh ****'." The woman said she had little recollection of the trip and genuinely couldn't help the officer. Police and TransLink have both confirmed the practice but remain tight-lipped about the frequency and circumstances of such requests. A TransLink spokesman said police sought Go Card records “less than a handful of times a week” under an exemption to the Information Privacy Act 2009 (Chapter 29). “Requests must be made in writing and the information provided can be used in court,” a Translink spokesman said in a statement. “This is the same procedure that police and other law enforcement agencies follow to gain credit card or banking information, driver's licence data or any other detail which may help confirm a person's identity or movements.” The records often relate to missing persons or stolen cards and a warrant is needed if the record is to be used in court. But the practice of tracking people's movements without their consent has raised the ire of civil libertarians. The pre-paid Go Cards have been in use on Brisbane trains, buses and ferries since February 2008 and allow faster access to the transit system, with commuters touching the cards on a pad as they enter and exit the service. While it is not necessary to register the cards, many commuters choose to in case the card is lost or stolen. Australian Council for Civil Liberties president Terry O'Gorman said he was not surprised to find police were accessing Go Card records as part of investigations. “We warned when the Go Cards were introduced that the electronic records could be used for various forms of surveillance and we were pooh-poohed and told that we were being unnecessarily concerned,” he said. “This shows that our concerns are justified. “In the light of this I'd urge people who are concerned about their privacy to take the de-identification route so that agents of the state can't willy-nilly access information on their travel patterns.” Mr O'Gorman said he had a Go Card but was unsure if it was registered to his name. “My wife got it, but I'll soon be de-identifying it now,” he said. Investigators have long used bank and phone records to track people's movements and Bond University criminology expert Professor Paul Wilson said police were quick to exploit new avenues of investigation. “I think they are very quick to use new technology as a detection tool,” he said. “That can be seen by them being able to trace mobile phone signals easily to where people are at particular times and that's been used for years. “This is just another variation of the use of digital technology like Go Cards. I suppose it does raise the big question of how far society is prepared to go to allow authorities to follow them in the interest of solving crime or public security. “I suppose the answer to that is, they are allowed to go very far.” The Queensland Police Service said it adheres to strict legal requirements when accessing information from organisations like Translink. “Strict regulations, including legislative requirements, memorandums of understanding and operating guidelines are in place, both within the QPS and within external agencies, to monitor and regulate these processes,” they said in a statement. But Professor Wilson said current regulations could give individuals limited protection and as technology evolved, privacy would deteriorate further. “I think the trend is disturbing,” he said. “I don't think people realise with not only cell phone and technology that tracks things like Go Cards, but also CCTV, how little privacy is respected in modern society and I think that's a great pity.” Mr O'Gorman said Go Cards made life easier for users, but many didn't realise at what cost. “I don't think people knowingly trade privacy for convenience,” he said. “The increased convenience of mobile phones, the increased convenience of Go Cards, the increased convenience of iPad use - people focus almost exclusively on the convenience and don't give a moment's thought to how the electronic track provides a ready bank of electronic information that the police can readily access.” This down right scary !! I know if you have nothing to hide, nothing to worry about. But to do it without your permissionis another thing. Thats a worry with the new "smart" licences Q is bringing in. Big Brother is watching you. !!! ![]() ![]()
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Anonimity isn't high on my priorities. I don't see it as scary at all.
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If it's on the same page as creditcard detail tracking then i don't see the problem. It's not being used to monitor our every move, just in extreme circumstances for good reasons. Let's just hope this doesn't change and they aren't logging this data for long.
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"This down right scary !! I know if you have nothing to hide, nothing to worry about. But to do it without your permissionis another thing. Thats a worry with the new "smart" licences Q is bringing in. Big Brother is watching you. !!!
![]() ![]() Big Brother has been watching since 1949, and I still don't see us being too much closer to 1984
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Big brother has always been watching you. Anyone that doesn't realise it has their head in the sand. As for the article about the murder investigation I would expect nothing less from the police, I know if it was my family member that was murdered or attacked or whatever I would expect the police to use every avenue possible to contact witnesses to enable a conviction.
For the civil libertarians to say that the police are tracking your movements is scare mongering, they aren't tracking where you go and what you do everyday that you use the card, they are investigating individual crimes. |
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Time to get off the grid, stash you money under the matress and pay cash for everything :P
Seriously though bit of a wake up as to how easily our movements are tracked, not that i have huge issues with it anyways. |
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Location: Northern Suburbs Melbourne
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They can track you with the city camera's/speed camers and your mobile phone. So just another thing that we allow governments to do.
Mind you they still cant catch armed criminals when they have them surrounded.
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Found this on the net:
Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979 (C'th), prohibits the interception of communications passing over a telecommunications system and prohibits access to stored communications (i.e. email, SMS and voice mail messages stored on a carrier's equipment) except where authorised in specified circumstances. The primary exception is to enable law enforcement agencies to lawfully intercept or access telecommunications in specified circumstances pursuant to an interception warrant or a stored communications warrant issued under the TIA Act. A small number of other exceptions are specified for particular purposes including tracing the location of callers in emergencies, and the operation and maintenance of a telecommunications system. |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Lake Macquarie, NSW
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Not appropriate, certainly wasn't once, under our inherited rights (Magna Carta + 1688 Bill of Rights).
But, these days such things are routinly 'ignored' by commie type governments and academia.
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WOW !!!
Cant they track our movements with the GPS They know when our cars/trucks move where we go how long for and when we get back Welcome one and all to the new age |
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Same thing happening with the new card system here.
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and they still cant find my push bike look harder!!!!
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If it catches the BAD guys then I'm all for it, too many of them are getting away with too much these days (thanks to technology).
On the other hand though, if you can trust the GOOD guys to "protect" your data (movements and whatever else) and only release it to other "good guys" (when the proper rules are followed) then its all fine. If you can't, therein lies the problems.
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Well give it time and some where down the track you'll be microchipped at birth and then they should have no trouble catching the bad guys.
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: brisbane
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I love reading these threads and marvelling at the modern high tech gear that people have in their homes, in their phones, and certainly under their bonnets.
I think we cry Big Brother far too quickly when the same sort of technology is used in a way that, for some reason, we are made to fear. I have had my dog microchipped, and I hazard a guess that many members here would probably agree that is a responsible thing to do.It can now have some chance of being reunited with it's "owner" if it should end up in the wrong hands or a vet surgery somewhere. In answer to Mo's comment about microchipping at birth, you are only a bad guy when you do something wrong.
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