Seatbelts in cars vs motorbikes

RAPID_BA · 19-02-2011, 11:43 AM

Seatbelts are obviously a safety feature of cars and save lives.

Not only are they available but they are also compulsory and fines apply for non compliance

But what about motorbikes? People riding around just hanging onto someones waste? The rider with no restrainment?

If you hit something in your car at 50km/h in your car with no seatbelt vs if you hit something at the same speed on a motorbike who is better off?

But if the car driver does not have his seat belt on its a fine?

Should motorbike riders require additional safety or should they back off car drivers? If someone drove around in a ute with someone on the back just holding on would they get fined?

**DJM83** · 19-02-2011, 11:45 AM

Couldnt go a day without a new thread eh?

pauljh74 · 19-02-2011, 11:52 AM

Better to come away from the bike, rather than be strapped onto it and get stuck underneath while it slides. Seat belts protect occupants from the car itself - hitting the inside of the car, other passengers etc which is highly likely when not restrained. The frame of the car provides protection as well from external forces, so securing occupants inside would be best in most, if not all cases - the motorcycle does not.
If the bike falls, then the initial blow of hitting the ground has already occurred and sliding with 100-200kg of bike on your leg won't be too good either. If the bike stops sliding and starts flipping end over end, you don't want to be near it.

**Full Noise** · 19-02-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

But what about motorbikes? People riding around just hanging onto someones waste?

Now that would be unpleasant. I’d rather hang on to their waist.

RAPID_BA · 19-02-2011, 12:04 PM

But fine a car driver for no seatbelt?

In no circumstance could a bike be safer
But the safety concern is what im getting at.

XR6Noir · 19-02-2011, 12:05 PM

Get pinged for not buckling up eh?

**Revolver** · 19-02-2011, 12:09 PM

You obviously dont ride a bike.......

It's better to let the bike "go" than try & save it. It's usually in the act of trying to save it that the most injuries occur. It's mire dangerous to be strapped on it than able to come off.

Plus you would mount the seatbelt gear where???

**Falcon Coupe** · 19-02-2011, 12:14 PM

Don't often see car drivers in a helmet with full leathers and body armour either.

*Why did I even post in this thread, it's comparing apples with the big banana.

burnz · 19-02-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

But fine a car driver for no seatbelt?

In no circumstance could a bike be safer
But the safety concern is what im getting at.

whell just look at those "tron" bikes for a minute..
wouldn't it be safer to stand on the bike seat and jump over that wall??
the way they hit the wall now they may as well be strapped to them..

Riksta · 19-02-2011, 12:19 PM

What a ridiculous question.

I've never really thought about it but as soon as I picked up the general idea of what you were saying, I instantly thought "so that you're not trapped on the bike should it fall or go haywire" - exactly what other people already answered.

Next.

XR6TCraig · 19-02-2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

But fine a car driver for no seatbelt?

In no circumstance could a bike be safer
But the safety concern is what im getting at.

Don't take up riding a bike and it shouldn't be a concern to you.

Let people who wish to ride, the freedom to do so.

Stop being a safetycrat for the sake of it.

XR6TCraig · 19-02-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

*Why did I even post in this thread, it's comparing apples with the big banana.

Because as a motorcyclist, you are trying to educate the stupid, ignorant cagers amongst us.

You're right, why did you bother!

CODSASR · 19-02-2011, 12:29 PM

Thats why riders get fined for not wearing a helmet and here I see billbored all the time telling riders to wear the correct safty gear............. If you are really concerned maybe you should be asking these questions

why dont horse riders have seat belts?

why dont cyclists have seat belts?

And I know here in vic you get fined for people being in the back of your ute.

**DJM83** · 19-02-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Don't often see car drivers in a helmet with full leathers and body armour either.

*Why did I even post in this thread, it's comparing apples with the big banana.

Road_Warrior · 19-02-2011, 12:47 PM

What a crap thread. Sounds like someone has an agenda to push.

**Revolver** · 19-02-2011, 01:14 PM

I suppose the next thread will be titled:

"Why don't motorbikes have a front numberplate?"

And the ensuing points of how "it would be better to identify riders & bikes during police chases, & speed camera flashes. & why do we in oz have front plates on cars when America it's not mandatory to run a front plate"

You really need to think about subjects before posting as aposed to taking up bandwidth with another mod & member-frustrating thread. Hopefully I saved on with the numberplate question.

Auslandau · 19-02-2011, 01:23 PM

I do agree that bikes should be made safer ... have a 5 star rating and follow what car manufacturers are doing at the moment.

The list of things that can be improved for a motor bike rider are staggering and cannot see why these are not mandatory ..... Seat belts, airbags (minimum front), head bolster for driver and passenger, Screen at the front for protection from foreign objects, roll bar or at least a roof to protect in case of roll over, steel side protection, an extra 2 wheels for stability ....... then we could call it a Corolla and sell millions!!!!

**Revolver** · 19-02-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

call it a Corolla and sell millions!!!!

Motorcycle

Corolla

How about Motorolla???

Kryton · 19-02-2011, 01:54 PM

Gets my vote for 'Most worthless thread of the Year'

fat4D · 19-02-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Seatbelts are obviously a safety feature of cars and save lives.

Not only are they available but they are also compulsory and fines apply for non compliance

But what about motorbikes? People riding around just hanging onto someones waste? The rider with no restrainment?

If you hit something in your car at 50km/h in your car with no seatbelt vs if you hit something at the same speed on a motorbike who is better off?

But if the car driver does not have his seat belt on its a fine?

Should motorbike riders require additional safety or should they back off car drivers? If someone drove around in a ute with someone on the back just holding on would they get fined?

did you ever crash a pushbike when you were a kid or seen a kid crash a bike? you would do a lot more damage to yourself if you were attached.

also wat do u mean should we require additional safety? helmet (compulsory), gloves, boots, jackets all of these are seen as the necessary to ride a bike or atleast your an idiot to not wear them

fat4D · 19-02-2011, 02:01 PM

although the biggest part of being safe on bike isn't all the gear its if you ride like a jackarse or not

RAPID_BA · 19-02-2011, 02:08 PM

Fair enough

My point is around booking people in cars for belts.. When bike riders are in far more risk of injury

**Revolver** · 19-02-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Fair enough

My point is around booking people in cars for belts.. When bike riders are in far more risk of injury

And a seatbelt would reduce this how????

When we ride, we are at far more risk of injury, due to not having 1.5 tons of steel, glass, plastic, crumple zones, & airbags around us. & one simple belt is going to do what??? Simple really...

It be a good idea to book people for wearing just a shirt/singlet, thongs & shorts.

RAPID_BA · 19-02-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Beast II

And a seatbelt would reduce this how????

When we ride, we are at far more risk of injury, due to not having 1.5 tons of steel, glass, plastic, crumple zones, & airbags around us. & one simple belt is going to do what??? Simple really...

It be a good idea to book people for wearing just a shirt/singlet, thongs & shorts.

So despite this 1.5 tonnes around them people are booked if they are not wearing a seat belt in cars?

Isnt safety the individuals problem rather than having to make it compulsory?

If someone whacks into you and they do not have a seatbelt there is no additional risk to you

For the record i always wear my seat belt as my aurion chime if your not wearing it is super annoying

**Giant Cranium** · 19-02-2011, 02:37 PM

not bad for hulk.

its been about 3 weeks since ive seen one of his stupid threads.

id rther fall of a bike then be straped on it sliding under a truck

**Giant Cranium** · 19-02-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

For the record i always wear my seat belt as my aurion chime if your not wearing it is super annoying

thank god you have a chime to remind you to put on a seatbelt

**DJM83** · 19-02-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by captain awesome

thank god you have a chime to remind you to put on a seatbelt

**Falcon Coupe** · 19-02-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by captain awesome

thank god you have a chime to remind you to put on a seatbelt

True, we don't want any broken necks from airbag deployment with no seat belt fastened.

50YEAR · 19-02-2011, 03:09 PM

Wow, 27 comments, err now 28, on a "worthless" thread. Keep 'em coming Hulk.

XR6TCraig · 19-02-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

So despite this 1.5 tonnes around them people are booked if they are not wearing a seat belt in cars?

The seatbelt is mandatory to protect you from colliding into that 1.5 tonnes of metal and glass surrounding you! No such issues with a bike.

Tell me Hulk, if you think seat belts are required on a bike, have you wondered why Stoner, Rossi and Co. dont go over the bars everytime they brake from 300kph down to nothing at every turn?