what does the falcon do better than the territory?

HULK_I6T · 14-03-2015, 07:39 AM

I was always a falcon man, recently I owned 3 falcons at the same time. loved the mods, performance etc..

but recently ive been converted to the ford territory. to me it does everything a falcon can do but then offers its own advantages on top.

I havent driven my bf xr6t all year and prefer to take the territory out.

can someone remind me what exactly a falcon does better than a territory?

T MAN · 14-03-2015, 08:03 AM

everything, the falcon is lighter, faster, more fuel efficient, handles better, looks better and doesn't have front ball joints that fail at the drop of a hat lol.

Lunch · 14-03-2015, 08:08 AM

0-100

new2ford · 14-03-2015, 08:11 AM

The Territory is a different class of vehicle so you can't directly compare them except that Territory has a better step-in and carrying volume (people and cargo). Falcon will obviously handle better, being lower - although I have to say I've never got the rear wheels to break loose in a Territory but I have in a Falcon!

**Giant Cranium** · 14-03-2015, 08:12 AM

Steer

HULK_I6T · 14-03-2015, 08:13 AM

Buyers of falcons are usually looking for a spacious car with decent performance and low cost.

Territory is more comfortable, more versatile, in my opinion looks better and has more presence about it, performs pretty much as well as falcon and it doesn't have the bogan stigma that the falcon just can't shirk.

It seems that the territory is pretty much contributed to the falcon decline, when comparing the two, I don't know how anyone could chose falcon? 0-100? really?

Maybe the fpv/performance models have their place with falcon but for the general models?

I have one of the best model falcons at home in a xr6t.. modded with 330+rwkw.. I havent driven it all year. but I grab the keys of the territory at every opportunity.

**Raptor** · 14-03-2015, 08:16 AM

Anyone who thinks the B-series Falcons steer better than a Territory clearly haven't driven a Territory.

Dr Smith · 14-03-2015, 08:30 AM

There are some features in a G6E/T that you don't get in a Terry. eg memory ext. mirror positions linked to keys, dipping lhs mirror when reversing, 8-way power drivers seat vs 6-way for Terry. Having gone from G6ET to Terry I miss the performance the most but gained a quieter (even in diesel), smoother riding, better long distance tourer with greater practicality, easier entry and greater driving observation position...but I do miss the performance. In the ideal world I'd have both.

**Raptor** · 14-03-2015, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

.... In the ideal world I'd have both.

That was the TTG

If that had of continued into the SZ/SZ2 series I probably wouldn't still be driving my 10yr old one.

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Dr Smith · 14-03-2015, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

That was the TTG

If that had of continued into the SZ/SZ2 series I probably wouldn't still be driving my 10yr old one.

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Lol, test drove one twice, arranged finance then ....spent $198K on house reno/addition...nice house but no TTG

PS and look at all the hipo suv euro's now that fill school pick-up's...

Sox · 14-03-2015, 08:42 AM

Off the top of my head, Falcon handles better, rides better, steers better, accelerates better, uses less fuel, and costs less to maintain.

I'm sure there's a few things the Territory does better than a Falcon too.

They're a totally different class of car, and I'm surprised the question needs to be asked. Particularly by someone who claims to own both?

If you don't know the strengths and weaknesses of both now, then you're probably not very in-tune with your cars, and likely never will be.

There is no better here, they're different.

Sox · 14-03-2015, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Anyone who thinks the B-series Falcons steer better than a Territory clearly haven't driven a Territory.

I've driven both extensively and the Falcon steers significantly better.
However, the Territory does steer very well for the type of vehicle it is.

new2ford · 14-03-2015, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sox

However, the Territory does steer very well for the type of vehicle it is.

Salaam, salaam - grateful for any few crumbs thrown to us Territory owners from Falcon folk!

Short of BMW, Territory steers and handles better than any SUV on the market. It's still a benchmark after a decade.

Both Falcon and Territory complement each other in the Ford stable. Pointless pitting them against each other.

CQB-241 · 14-03-2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

That was the TTG

If that had of continued into the SZ/SZ2 series I probably wouldn't still be driving my 10yr old one.

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Hurt when the family outgrew the '06 SY TTG 7 seater. Very versatile, went like stink and great to drive (was mostly under 200km per week with spousal duty bar the odd trip, so WTF re fuel).

At least the Mrs is the usual driver of its replacement (Tarago 3.5) so I have been somewhat shielded from the loss. The prospect of the Miami-engined FGX due in 5 weeks will help dull the pain too.

CQB-241 · 14-03-2015, 10:02 AM

As to the topic of this thread (getting off the TTG worship).....

.....Territory better meets people's perceptions of what they need (ie what they want) than Falcon. Geoff Polites pushed the vehicle into a glaring gap that it owned and I suspect still would if updates were faster and engine options included those available to Falcon. Falcon realistically only survives now as it can share a line with Territory and is keeping the seat warm for the new Mondeo and Mustang.

Stupid thing is the Falcon (particularly the wagon) did 99% of what the Territory 5 seater did for 99% of buyers for less fuel and less visual obstruction at intersections but people wanted (and still want) SUVs over sedans. But need more than 5 seats.....

.....and in (RIP) TTG form with 7 seats.....

chookaradley · 14-03-2015, 11:05 AM

Our SZ TS is simply the most comfortable car I've ever driven, eats miles like no other car I've driven, and I've driven plenty. Last year drove 450km in a day 44 deg 5 people on board fully loaded, and arrived at destination as fresh as a daisy. I don't think people appreciate just how well they drive when compared with other SUV's

mcnews · 14-03-2015, 12:22 PM

Had an 07 Ghia AWD until recently, also had the GT-E at the same time. THe Territory is a big bus but drives very, very well for being a big bus. Would have loved to have seen FG spec Turbo engine in updated Territory, as it is a league ahead of the B series turbo when it comes to power/torque/economy (also owned BF F6 and FG F6 so know the difference very well)

MAGPIE · 14-03-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chookaradley

Our SZ TS is simply the most comfortable car I've ever driven, eats miles like no other car I've driven, and I've driven plenty. Last year drove 450km in a day 44 deg 5 people on board fully loaded, and arrived at destination as fresh as a daisy. I don't think people appreciate just how well they drive when compared with other SUV's

This

Can't say the same about the Falcon, at least not as a rear seat passenger.

Sox · 14-03-2015, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

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Can't say the same about the Falcon, at least not as a rear seat passenger.

As good as the Territory is for an SUV, I find the Falcon better in all those areas mentioned by the fella you quoted.
The rear seat is awful in the Territory.

**TUF_302** · 14-03-2015, 03:32 PM

Surely it comes down to what each person needs for there lifestyle? well at least to some degree

arronm · 14-03-2015, 03:42 PM

One is a car, the other is a box on wheels.

**kypez** · 14-03-2015, 04:54 PM

I got a Terri loan car a couple of weeks ago. The straight 6 wasnt a nice fit for me. The turbo diesel did feel a better drive.

I use my G6E as tow car and as an EcoLPi, the straight 6 is far more at home in it. I found the Terri extremely sluggish. Mind you, this car had only 14 kms on it so it was brand new. But still, wasn't what I wanted from a car.

That said, It was a fantastic drive that hides its size very well but with no need for 7 seats, the falcon does everything I need and better than the Terri.

MAGPIE · 14-03-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sox

As good as the Territory is for an SUV, I find the Falcon better in all those areas mentioned by the fella you quoted.
The rear seat is awful in the Territory.

Different strokes for different folks, the trips I have had to do as a rear seat passenger in a number of different SUV's (Explorer, Forester, RAV4, Territory) have all been significantly more comfortable than the one I had in a FG Falcon.

The Yeti · 14-03-2015, 05:42 PM

Loose market Value?

Bearman · 14-03-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chookaradley

Our SZ TS is simply the most comfortable car I've ever driven, eats miles like no other car I've driven, and I've driven plenty. Last year drove 450km in a day 44 deg 5 people on board fully loaded, and arrived at destination as fresh as a daisy. I don't think people appreciate just how well they drive when compared with other SUV's

I was a back seat passenger on a road trip to Echuca with 3 mates. I am a big unit and seated behind a really big unit. The driver was a giant and the guy seated behind him was a more regular build.

Us back seat passengers had heaps of room, the seat was comfortable and we felt very fresh at the end of the trip. The Territory is seriously impressive for passenger comfort.

When I had my BA XR6 my adult sized sons used to complain about mainly the leg room, particularly when seated behind me. I'd imagine the FG wouldn't be much different.

blue sleeper · 14-03-2015, 07:18 PM

You know I thought Bruce Banner was smarter than this.....

351gtw · 14-03-2015, 07:34 PM

The question should be. What does Falcon do better than Captiva?

chookaradley · 14-03-2015, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 351gtw

The question should be. What does Falcon do better than Captiva?

Everything btw the front number plate and rear number plate. Apart from those specific areas the Captiva is the better car

HULK_I6T · 14-03-2015, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearman

I was a back seat passenger on a road trip to Echuca with 3 mates. I am a big unit and seated behind a really big unit. The driver was a giant and the guy seated behind him was a more regular build.

Us back seat passengers had heaps of room, the seat was comfortable and we felt very fresh at the end of the trip. The Territory is seriously impressive for passenger comfort.

When I had my BA XR6 my adult sized sons used to complain about mainly the leg room, particularly when seated behind me. I'd imagine the FG wouldn't be much different.

not just leg room but headroom. sitting in the back of a b series sedan if your a tall bloke. basically have to arch your neck..

all the storage compartments in the territory are phenomenal. I dont know why half those ideas didnt make their way into falcon.

**Gothefalcon** · 14-03-2015, 09:12 PM

Well... I have owned a BF2 Falcon Wagon for the past 4 (odd) years.... and drove it as a stock Wagon for the first year (50,000Ks)... then converted it to AWD, using the full front sub-frame/suspension/etc. from an SY Terry (& RTV back end).... drove it that way for the next 2 3/4 (odd) years (140,000Ks) then updated the front suspension to the SY2/Z upgrade for the last 3-4months (10,000Ks)... I also still have a standard BA Wagon which I drive now & then... and had an 06 BF E-Gas Wagon for the 4yrs prior, from new (165,000Ks) I have also driven SX petrol & SZ Diesel Terrys a bit... so I feel I can give the most direct comparison here...

I agree completely with Raptor... the Terry's front suspension/steering design/geometry is far superior to the B-series Falcon's in every way ! Hands down, it rides better, controls roll better, steers better with a forward mounted rack that turns in off centre much faster, has zero bump steer (on & off road, suffers much less dive under brakes, and never tramlines.. even on the worst rutted roads ! The Terry front end (along with the RTV's tramp rod rear) has transformed the handling of my B-series wagon into an amazingly capable vehicle... as anyone who's driven it can (& will) attest !

The standard brake package in the Terry is also far superior to the standard brake package in a Falcon ! Hands down !

Both the Terry and Falcon Wagon (with dickie seat) can carry 7 people... but, of course, the Terry can do that with more comfort. There is slightly better (not necessarily more) legroom for back seat passengers in the Terry... but this comes more from it's higher seating position... and access to the rear seat is also superior due to it's wider opening rear doors.

The Terry's IRS is better riding and handling than the Wagon's leaf spring arrangement... and the RTV's back end is even more taught for ride compliance, but to offset this, it's more controlled for handling than the standard Wagon.. and not that far behind the Terry's IRS there... but further behind the Falcon's IRS (extra height and weight of the Terry being a slight penalty between the two.) However... the beam axle arrangement in the Wagon allowed me to fit the Locker rear end from the RTV... which, combined with the Terry's front drive, has made my Falcon very very versatile off road !

The Terry is much quieter in the cabin than the Falcon Wagon... but only at the back of the car... the front being basically the same.

The standard Wagon does get better economy and has more available power/torque reserves... due to it's better power - weight ratio over the Terry... and my AWD Wagon sits right in the middle of the two, in this regard.

As a people mover... if you have to move more than 5, then the Terry wins hands down. As a Wagon... the Terry is adequate. The Falcon Wagon can cope much better with weight... has a much bigger (& useable) boot capacity (seats up or down) and if you want to put stuff on the roof racks, it's much more accessible too (being much lower).

The Terry is better appointed than the Falcon Wagon... even in base spec... and therefore more creature comforts = a nicer environment to spend time in.
My FAWD is Full High Series spec. inside... so I can compare mine to Terry Ghia here ! I find the driving position better... and have driven non stop for 12,000Ks before (I have a fuel range of 1500Ks) and got out of the Wagon feeling pretty good (Gotta love those Typhoon seats

) I regularly do non-stop 7-800K stints behind the wheel... no problem at all !

Even though they share the same tow capacity... the Falcon Wagon handles this job better... due to it's longer wheel base, higher capacity for weight and better weight distribution (leaf springs, by their design, spread the weight more forward). My Wagon has 1 Tonner leaves from the RTV... so this advantage is increased more so.

The Falcon Wagon has less frontal area to push through the air... and less height overall, so is affected less by cross winds. my AWD Wagon sit's as high underneath as a Terry... but is 150mm (ish) lower in the body... so I generally get a bit better economy on than a Terry... but slightly worse than a standard Wagon... and bad weather/big trucks passing/etc. has less affect than in a Terry. (not that a Terry is bad).

Ok... fair enough... mine is a Hybrid of the two... but for those that say you can't compare the two because they are different vehicles... my AWD Falcon Wagon is the fairest way to be able to make that comparison! I believe (for me at least) I have taken the best of both "worlds" and merged them into one ! As a Falcon Wagon owner for many years (I've had 7)... I looked at Terry and couldn't bring myself to own one... due to it's lower capacity to act as a Wagon... but I was impressed by it's other virtues (apart from the 7 seat bit as I don't need it) and the fact that Ford no longer offered High spec Wagons anymore was a big disappointment... but I just couldn't bring myself to compromise on the Wagon's versatility... so I took what I considered the good bits the Terry had over the Falcon... and installed them into the Wagon... then I went through the parts bin and installed the best the Falcon (range) had to offer (much more to choose from there !

) to create the ultimate Falcon Wagon

That's the long answer (sorry it was so long)

Dhru