Manual Shift in an Auto, Good or bad?

Hybrid34 · 25-02-2007, 08:44 PM

Ay, Just want to know, went giving it a bit of gas at the lights or overtaking someone, is it healthy to use the 1,2,3 in an auto? or will it wreck the bands or transmission?
another thing, which is the best way to start off to get a head start?
ie; Having a little revs with the brake on? or just plant it????

Just intreeged :P thats all....

mcflux · 25-02-2007, 08:47 PM

BTR + std gears + std stall = slow no matter what you do.

bentles · 25-02-2007, 08:50 PM

i use my auto shifter all the time, when having a fang, otherwise D with econ is fine, never used power since i started using the auto shifter, it shits on power mode. i use shifter while slowing down cos it makes my car sounds about 200 times better lol

castek · 25-02-2007, 08:58 PM

since my diff is rooted (serves me right paying $80 for it), i leave it in econ, because the shift is a bit softer than in normal mode, and the clunking doesnt give me the shits. if i am going to ballarat and i am on cruise, i usually chuck it in 3rd and leave it, it gets annoying hearing it go through unlocking the converter, kicking back to third, then fourth, the lock up etc. it doesnt really put much more strain on the transmission, but if you hold it back in first for a while, without a cooler, it will overheat

holmsy · 25-02-2007, 09:29 PM

iv been using the 123 part sometimes over the past few days. makes the car sound 10 times better but it has a whine when ya at low speeds. but it doesnt have the same wine in D so i dunno.
mine also doesnt allways go into 1 so easy it doesnt lock in without a bit of help.

is it my tans being dodgy or does other peoples cars do this. if i am in 3rd or 4th (gear stick on D)
and i put the foot down it doesnt change down at all so it doesnt have much power? is it just that old cars wernt so good changing down when ya want it to or is there something wrong with it?

EA Ghia · 25-02-2007, 09:35 PM

Could be your accelerator cable. I found when I changed mine, it was a lot more responsive, and the kickback came a lot easier.

bentles · 25-02-2007, 10:06 PM

if ur doing about 70+ and plant it ull be lucky to drop down into 3rd.

the whine sound is normal as i bet u only get it in 1st at speeds below 40? its cos the gear is spinning real fast but the engine isnt making enough noise to overpower the wine sound i think.... might be wrong but

PHoeNiX · 25-02-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bentles

if ur doing about 70+ and plant it ull be lucky to drop down into 3rd.

the whine sound is normal as i bet u only get it in 1st at speeds below 40? its cos the gear is spinning real fast but the engine isnt making enough noise to overpower the wine sound i think.... might be wrong but

my EF hits 2nd at 70. i have found that my car can do 85 in first, so 70 in 2nd is eeeeasy as. 135 should be the limit for 2nd, not game to try max out 3rd. i rekon itll hit the limiter in 3rd.

there is a reason that the transmissions were modified to have the tiptronic? auto shift (semi auto)...the normal auto isnt designed for constant changing. its not good to do it all the time as far as i know, just when towing or belting the sh!t out of it at lights etc. ive found that gettin the revs to about 2k with foot on the brake gives it a decent aunch, but u really want a bigger stally for a good launch.
brenton

DNKPWR · 25-02-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hybrid34

Ay, Just want to know, went giving it a bit of gas at the lights or overtaking someone, is it healthy to use the 1,2,3 in an auto? or will it wreck the bands or transmission?
another thing, which is the best way to start off to get a head start?
ie; Having a little revs with the brake on? or just plant it????

Just intreeged :P thats all....

Changing down into 1,2,3 will evendually damage your trans! I did this and now have a manual because the auto died in the @rse!

As for the head start at the lights stall it up to 2k rpm with the brake on of course, too much revs will cause wheel spin! lol

atec77 · 25-02-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hybrid34

Ay, Just want to know, went giving it a bit of gas at the lights or overtaking someone, is it healthy to use the 1,2,3 in an auto? or will it wreck the bands or transmission?
another thing, which is the best way to start off to get a head start?
ie; Having a little revs with the brake on? or just plant it????

Just intreeged :P thats all....

manually shifting will casue problems over time , if you wanna go quick then mod the box .

tuffnc · 25-02-2007, 11:12 PM

when my box was done i got a stage 2 kit and moded stengthened internals, guy told me up shifting (1,2,3) is fine, just dont down shift, thats when u gonna do damage...

crannersEL · 25-02-2007, 11:13 PM

I started a similar thread a little while ago, have a read through this :-)

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=66810

eb91xr6 · 26-02-2007, 06:23 AM

manual FTW cant beat a clutch so much fun and the best mod i did to my weekender

EA2BA · 26-02-2007, 08:13 AM

I have been manual shifting my auto for about 2 years now and nearly everyday all the time, its still going good, I am using the BA shifter and a SSS electronics module that tells the solenoids what gear to be in, maybe it's a little kinder to the gearbox.

BLSTIC · 26-02-2007, 02:13 PM

Inside the gearbox, there is no mechanical or hydraulic difference between the forward gear selector positions of a BTR (or most electronically controlled gearboxes). Its all electronic (try it, those with early models, disconnect your auto ecu, 3rd gear only, and yes I have had the valve body apart and looked closely).

That said, the computer never does downshifts at speed unless you are accellerating. Doing that is where the extra wear comes from.

cya
Ben

Bipolar · 26-02-2007, 03:14 PM

I downchange my auto every time I drive it (only when useful though), but make sure I blip the throttle before the change to match the revs. Can't feel any shock when I do that.

DEVL-XR · 26-02-2007, 06:05 PM

I MANUALLY change gears all the time....with a clutch!

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mcflux · 26-02-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brenton

my EF hits 2nd at 70. i have found that my car can do 85 in first,

I used to hit 2nd at 110 :P

Dezza · 26-02-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

I used to hit 2nd at 110 :P

No wonder your auto died :P

mcflux · 26-02-2007, 06:52 PM

Ahh the whole car luffed it. 1500rpm beyond peak power, valvetrain sounded like I was in an aviary full of excited budgies, puff of smoke from the exhaust (or probably from out of the tranny dipstick :P) upon gearchange...

Yep, I'm a pro driver, that's for sure. Anyhoo that was with the 3.27s. I'd be lucky to see 85 with the 4.11s.

Maximus · 26-02-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BradensEBxr6

I MANUALLY change gears all the time....with a clutch!

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Good work, me too!

Yeah, seriously MANUAL CONVERSION TIME.

babbo · 26-02-2007, 10:04 PM

yeah 2 right, i dont really like driving autos much.

PHoeNiX · 26-02-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

I used to hit 2nd at 110 :P

no, no, no...was saying that 70 would be easy for 2nd....if u read the rest of my post ull see that my 2nd reaches 135 and im not game to max out 3rd...so

: straight back at ya....lol

mcflux · 26-02-2007, 11:15 PM

I dunno where my 2nd maxed out, but it would've been somewhere around 180ish ;)

But what I'm saying is my 1st maxed out at 110. Hence, my e-phallus is greater than yours. Hooray for doughy launches with stock diff gears. *memories*

Hybrid34 · 27-02-2007, 12:45 PM

Hmm thanks for all your posts, Just wanted to use the 1,2,3 for when im at the lights, not as an everyday thing.....as for what people said before its hard to get into first or won't go in, theres acutally a second lock on the button, it will let you go down into 3rd and 2nd fine, but when you want to hit 1st you have to hold down that little black button and clunk it in

SVT8 · 27-02-2007, 05:33 PM

i hate to steal this thread but.....

My trans has just had a service and its perfectly fine, i shift gears all the time but only when the car has fully stop then i slip it into 1,2,3 then drive and leave in drive it until i stop again. I never downshift though, as i have heard thats what does all the damage.

Anyway, when i stick my gear stick into 1 and shift onto 2, it shifts fine when im driving casually. But when i plant the pedal to the floor starting from 1 and shifting into 2..........it doesnt seem to change into second gear???. It only shifts into second gear as soon as i back off the pedal???. Is this normal?? should the gears change as soon as i move the stick to the next gear despite the pedal put down to the floor?. all it does is rev in that gear until i actually back off. Just wondering if everyone has this problem when shifting gears manually in an auto?.

falcon351 · 27-02-2007, 08:29 PM

i frequently shift down to 2 or 3 when drivin as it makes my car pop when decelarating and sounds sweetas, but wait till stationary to change to 1st. ill let u know how it goes once i buy an auto shift kit from shiftkits australia!!!

brlucas · 13-04-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BradensEBxr6

I MANUALLY change gears all the time....with a clutch!

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yeh ash! hahaha

EBTom · 13-04-2007, 12:50 PM

Any harm in using 3rd around town (under 60kmh)? I dont know if its accurate or not, but I seem to get better fuel economy doing this, maybe because you dont have to use as much throttle to constantly kick down from 4th? Does this sound right or is my trip computer playing mind games?
I find it helps to avoid speeding due to the degree of engine braking compared to 4th.

Bipolar · 13-04-2007, 03:38 PM

Absolutley not. 3000 cabbies can't be wrong.

I think the only problem is constantly smashing the spragg clutch by putting too much of a sudden load on it from constant downshifting (as Rollin has said before). As for matching the revs like in a manual though, I don't see why the box would react any differently to that than by burying the throttle and letting it drop back on it's own. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong...