Ignition leads - Eagle v MSD

RG · 04-04-2007, 08:35 PM

I ordered what I was told would be MSD coil packs and MSD leads from Bursons. I got the coil packs fine but the leads they gave me were Eagle Eliminator series 8.0mm. Fancy looking things they are and even have meshy heat sheild things on the boots to protect them. My question is this, are these as good as the MSD items and should I keep them? They were $240 but I don't have a lot of time before I get the edit so I'm kind of caught between a rock and a hard place. So what do we think, keep the Eagle leads or get them to replace with MSD. just a note I don't recall the sales bloke confiming with Rocket that the leads were MSD but he did get asked to make sure they were for an AU XR8.

au2sw · 04-04-2007, 08:42 PM

we use eagle and ICE leads for our LPG conversions and havent had a prob with them. keep the eagles, they're pretty much the best on the market.

toyotaxr8 · 04-04-2007, 09:12 PM

is it worth getting the MSD coil packs and what gains do you get from them?

KOUPE76 · 04-04-2007, 09:30 PM

Damn, $240 for Eagle eliminator, got my MSD 8.5MM leads today from XD357 and are excellent, I'd take them back and get proper MSD ones as I only paid $150 for them.
You did ask for MSD leads?
Mate if you want I'll sell you mine and I'll order another set as I'm not in as much a hurry than you, can even have them waiting for you at G&D.

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Mick

aye you · 04-04-2007, 09:33 PM

sorry to hijack the thread, but whats the gains/main reason to upgrade leads, and what would people suggest if i was to do this?

RG · 04-04-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BLUPRNT XR8

Damn, $240 for Eagle eliminator, got my MSD 8.5MM leads today from XD357 and are excellent, I'd take them back and get proper MSD ones as I only paid $150 for them.
You did ask for MSD leads?
Mate if you want I'll sell you mine and I'll order another set as I'm not in as much a hurry than you, can even have them waiting for you at G&D.

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Mick

Mate that'd be great if you'd be willing to do that. I'll get on to Bursons in the morning and let you know tomorrow night.

RG · 05-04-2007, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by toyotaxr8

is it worth getting the MSD coil packs and what gains do you get from them?

I'll let you know tomorrow once they aree on. But main reason is better spark.

JC · 05-04-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RedXR347

I'll let you know tomorrow once they aree on. But main reason is better spark.

Yep, and for petrol applications, while better spark might be nice, in LPG applications (like mine) it's criticial. I use TopGun Max300 LPG leads in mine, and they are great so far. I've heard plenty of good things about the Eagle leads - didn't actually know MSD made leads, so there you go, a new thing learnt today. And if they're only $150 a set, they would seem to be the performance bargain as far as leads go (most are over $200 a set for the AU V8s).

**FTE217** · 05-04-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BLUPRNT XR8

Damn, $240 for Eagle eliminator, got my MSD 8.5MM leads today from XD357 and are excellent, I'd take them back and get proper MSD ones as I only paid $150 for them.
You did ask for MSD leads?
Mate if you want I'll sell you mine and I'll order another set as I'm not in as much a hurry than you, can even have them waiting for you at G&D.

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Mick

Mick can you post a pic up what these look like ?

KOUPE76 · 05-04-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Mick can you post a pic up what these look like ?

Here you go mate.

Gambit · 05-04-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BLUPRNT XR8

Damn, $240 for Eagle eliminator, got my MSD 8.5MM leads today from XD357 and are excellent, I'd take them back and get proper MSD ones as I only paid $150 for them.
You did ask for MSD leads?
Mate if you want I'll sell you mine and I'll order another set as I'm not in as much a hurry than you, can even have them waiting for you at G&D.

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Mick

Yep exactly same leads & price as I got from Dave @ A1 (just looked at your pick below). Best price by far i got on a set of au plug leads & Dave was awesome to deal with.

KOUPE76 · 05-04-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambit

Yep exactly same leads & price as I got from Dave @ A1 (just looked at your pick below). Best price by far i got on a set of au plug leads & Dave was awesome to deal with.

Yep, he sure is easy to deal with and the care factor is there too.

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RG · 05-04-2007, 08:54 PM

Well I spoke to Bursons and Rocket today. Rocket basically don't have a clue when it comes to these AU V8's. They said it would take them 3 months to get MSD leads from the US and that I'd have to supply them with a part number and they won't take the Eagle leads back from Bursons, so much for customer service. Bursons told me that as it was a special order they won't give my money back but they will give me a store credit even though it isn't exactly what I ordered, but I can understand that as it's more of Rockets fault. Oh well it looks like the Eagle leads will have to suffice, but I'm sure that they will be fine.

Mick thanks for the offer but since I can't get the cash back and I can't think of anything I'd use $240 on at bursons I'll leave the leads with you. Again thanks for the offer, it really is true AU owners really are better people lol.

Free347 · 05-04-2007, 09:43 PM

Eagle, very average in my experience - QIL (Qld Ignition Leads) 9mm for $250, or Magnecore 8mm for $240 or 8.5mm for $330 (if you're keen). Have tested under significant load and the QIL 9 or Mag 8.5 are top of my list. From what I know MSD leads are good for a time but have a more average life, that said I have this info second hand so.....? Given your options I'd be inclined to have the Eagles replaced with the MSD leads.

RG · 05-04-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Free347

Eagle, very average in my experience - QIL (Qld Ignition Leads) 9mm for $250, or Magnecore 8mm for $240 or 8.5mm for $330 (if you're keen). Have tested under significant load and the QIL 9 or Mag 8.5 are top of my list. From what I know MSD leads are good for a time but have a more average life, that said I have this info second hand so.....? Given your options I'd be inclined to have the Eagles replaced with the MSD leads.

Problem with that is I don't have 3 months to wait for them as I get the flash tune done next Thursday. Might just be a case of use the Eagle leads and pray.

**FTE217** · 05-04-2007, 10:00 PM

Thanks Mick for the pics,I was curious to see what these looked like. Great price thats for sure.
Redxr347,I wouldn't worry about the Eagle leads, they have a good name in the Aftermarket industry,I have used them before I would again.
For street use etc I couldn't see half of these other brands giving you any more performance off the lights anyway.
Now if you were running the 1/4 heaps maybe fractions upon fractions may be of help for a great spark but I think heaps of this stuff is talked up far too much and if you were to run another XR with same mods I'm sure the only difference will be the Driver !

b2tf · 05-04-2007, 10:04 PM

The MSD leads need to be made up to suit the application dont they? I.e. they dont come ready made to suit the AU V8 etc.

KOUPE76 · 05-04-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

The MSD leads need to be made up to suit the application dont they? I.e. they dont come ready made to suit the AU V8 etc.

Correct.

RspecAU · 06-04-2007, 01:22 AM

Thanks RedXR347 on a thread i was about to post on, as i have an issue with what could be sprak or fuel, my leads and coil pack is still the factory set it was made with.

Cheers Mark

au2sw · 06-04-2007, 06:56 AM

I still feel that ICE are the best leads, we use them in a majority of our LPG conversions (and we do specialise in the conversions) and as spark is critical in LPG applications, its only fair to assume they are far more superior then MSD. IMO you get what you pay for, $150 for MSD compared to $250 for ICE, bargain spark for bargain price. I use ICE 9mm pro leads with NGK plugs in my I6. and although i dont use it for the strip, i feel confident they wont let me down in any mods that i do in the future

Gambit · 06-04-2007, 08:59 AM

This was taken from a post by jimt3te50 on here.

this gets worse or better depending on how you look at it.

I thought I would check the resistance of the leads as a comparison for you guys as I have the top guns, the eagles and the MSD's from A1's-

No 8 on the Eagles is 1922 ohms
No 8 on the Top Guns was 2840 ohms
No 8 on the MSD's was 145 ohms (yes 145, or about 7.5% of the eagles and 5% of the top guns)

Maybe it's been as simple as that- you change something then rule it out when it can still well be the problem..........

that might help you make up your mind on leads anyway

JC · 06-04-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambit

This was taken from a post by jimt3te50 on here.

this gets worse or better depending on how you look at it.

I thought I would check the resistance of the leads as a comparison for you guys as I have the top guns, the eagles and the MSD's from A1's-

No 8 on the Eagles is 1922 ohms
No 8 on the Top Guns was 2840 ohms
No 8 on the MSD's was 145 ohms (yes 145, or about 7.5% of the eagles and 5% of the top guns)

Maybe it's been as simple as that- you change something then rule it out when it can still well be the problem..........

that might help you make up your mind on leads anyway

For petrol applications, the resistance doesn't really matter. I think the V8 recommended resistance is between 2 & 6 kOhm anyway. However, for LPG, the 145Ohms leads would be ideal!

JC · 06-04-2007, 12:56 PM

Oops, I meant 145 Ohms leads would be great for LPG.

RG · 06-04-2007, 01:28 PM

The coil packs and Eagle leads are on. Idles and starts better than ever, so I'm happy. Now bring on the tune.

AUIII XR8 MAN · 06-04-2007, 06:24 PM

What was the MSD coil pack worth?

KOUPE76 · 06-04-2007, 06:34 PM

OOPS, SORRY, Double posted

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KOUPE76 · 06-04-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AUIII XR8 MAN

What was the MSD coil pack worth?

Got mine for $125 each thru Rocket Industries but shop around coz I found out that I can get them cheaper (after paying for these pair, typical)

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b2tf · 06-04-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BLUPRNT XR8

Got mine for $125 each thru Rocket Industries but shop around coz I found out that I can get them cheaper (after paying for these pair, typical)

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Mick where else did you find a better price? Ive ahd a bit of a look and found that Rocket were (at the time i looked) actually the cheapest?

AUIII XR8 MAN · 06-04-2007, 07:39 PM

Thanks Mick.

Are they much better over the standard one?

KOUPE76 · 06-04-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AUIII XR8 MAN

Thanks Mick.

Are they much better over the standard one?

Will tell you in about 3 weeks time, you see I've recently purchased the whole system, MSD DIS4 HO Ignition module, msd coil packs, msd tach drivers, msd leads and msd billet 130 amp alternator/bracket set. G&D will be doing the install so will definately be able to see if it does make a differance after a re-tune then dyno run.

Austin I have a mate who is in the automotive industry but didn't realise the contacts he has :Up_to_som

Mick